On Wed, 2015-02-04 at 18:14 -0700, Warren Young wrote: > Nothing is free. Just as with my analogy with safes, we’re not > talking about absolute security. We just need to make an attack > *costly enough* that it will never succeed, if we do our part. (Like > not saying chmod 644 /etc/shadow !!) I looked on a DVD backup of the 2010 standard install of a VPS (without looking again I think it was C5.3). Spreading good ideas and techniques (see my "Centos Learning" mailing list suggestion) could encourage newcomers to implement good security as soon as they arrive on Linux. I found switching to Linux without help was a steep learning curve but, as usual, I survived. I'm still Learning. -- Regards, Paul. England, EU. Je suis Charlie.