On Sun, January 11, 2015 11:22 am, Sven Kieske wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 11.01.2015 03:42, James B. Byrne wrote: >> What does systemd buy the enterprise that sysinit did not provide? >> > Well (re)starting services in a reliable way? > Ensuring that services are up and running? > > About which sysinit are you talking btw? > The init process in RHEL 6 was upstart. > > systemd has it's ugly downsides, but it > _does_ provide much needed features. > > if you don't know them or if you ignore them > or if you think you don't need them: > fine > > but don't think others don't know or need > them. > That sounds like you have collected and counted "votes" pro and against systemd. (Mine, BTW is against, and I do not feel it fair to be discounted as a stupid minority as it is implied in your post). There is no point to repeat listing of ugly sides of systemd - which you said yourself are there. As far as "advantages" are concerned: I didn't see any compared to sysvinit or upstart. I don't care that _laptop_ with systemd starts 3 times faster - it's brilliant when you have to start it right on the podium few seconds before giving your presentation. However, my life is more influenced by the servers I maintain. BTW, when "counting votes" keep in mind an existence of an army of refugees from Linux, they already have voted against ugliness here, there,... Just my $0.02 Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++