On Thu, January 8, 2015 10:44 am, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 9:48 AM, James B. Byrne <byrnejb at harte-lyne.ca> > wrote: >> >> A perusal of the contents of both the Fedora devel list and users list >> does not give one much hope that such a point of view would be >> tolerated, much less welcomed. > > Exactly. They don't care about breakage, only change. In the early > days I tried to follow Fedora development and no one paid any > attention to complaints about breaking interfaces that other things > rely on. I eventually just gave up when they pushed a kernel update > mid-rev that wouldn't boot on my (mainstream IBM) test box and > subsequent updates were the same. I don't really expect them to care > - the people who have something invested in existing components and > interfaces have been split out of that community. I just see it as a > big mistake to let them control the future of the distribution to > people that need stability and ongoing interface compatibility. > >> One might, however, consider that the CentOS list is a concentration >> of people that evidently have some status within a number of >> Enterprises. > > I used to try to encourage using more linux vs.Windows here and > deployed Centos for infrastructure myself wherever possible because it > used to be easier to manage and more stable. But now that I'm > approaching retirement and realizing that the current management > processes aren't going to continue to work, I think that may have been > a mistake. > I read it and there are very familiar feelings. Some 7 or so years ago I found myself at a meeting (that was open solaris meeting) with a bunch of people who started looking for alternatives to migrate their boxes to from Linux. (I may be off on time; it was right after Oracle acquired Sun Microsystems, so there was already this joke out there: how do you call that system? If you repeat Sun-Oracle very fast you likely will get it right: "snorkel" ;-) One of the pushing points was: already then on average every 30-45 days was either glibc or kernel update, meaning you have to reboot the box (and on multiple threads here there was a bunch of other unpleasant things mentioned so I'll skip them...). Linux from Unix-like system became more Windows like (sorry if it offends anyone, but I can't hold myself and not repeat what one of people called Linux then: "Lindoze"). So, several of those people fled to open solaris. My journey was different, I ended up migrating a bunch of most important boxes to FreeBSD. I know how many on this list are already allergic to me saying this, I promise, this is the last time. I'm using as excuse something familiar I feel in James's post... Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++