On 07/29/2015 06:00 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Chris Murphy wrote: > >>>> No, I am making the assumption that the vast majority of CentOS installs >>>> are racked up in datacenters, VPS hosts, etc. > >>> Is that true, I wonder? >>> For some reason Fedora and CentOS seem reluctant to find out anything >>> about their users (or what their users want). > >> This is confusing. I think it's overwhelmingly, abundantly clear that >> Fedora care about their users and are listening. CentOS cares with a >> hard and fast upper limit which is binary compatibility with RHEL. So >> if you want to change CentOS behavior you'd have to buy into RHEL and >> convince Red Hat, and then it'd trickle down to CentOS. > > You (and others) are misunderstanding my off-the-cuff remark. > It was purely an observation about the lack of statistics. > I rarely if ever see a statement of the kind > "Among Fedora users 37% use KDE and 42% Gnome". > Or (after the remark I was responding to) > "83% of CentOS machines are in datacenters, and 7% are home-servers". > (Or "x% of Fedora users have turned SELinux to permissive".) > > I'm not saying that Fedora or CentOS should work on democratic principles. > I welcome Johnny Hughes unambiguous statement that CentOS follows RHEL. > This saves a lot of time arguing about things that cannot be changed. > > But I hold the (old-fashioned?) view that before expressing an opinion > one should get the facts. We can't gather facts about people .. people go bat shit crazy if their machines report stuff back. At CentOS, we can't even tell you how many users we have, because we can't possibly buy all the mirrors that are required to give out updates to all users. Instead, we have a couple hundred mirrors JUST to distribute CentOS to external mirrors run by the community (currently 624 mirrors in 85 countries) when we do a release. We don't have the ability to gather statistics on servers we don't own. Fedora is in the same boat. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20150729/e6086a7e/attachment-0005.sig>