On Thu, April 13, 2017 1:38 pm, Mauricio Tavares wrote: > On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 2:06 PM, <m.roth at 5-cent.us> wrote: >> Robert Moskowitz wrote: >>> On 04/12/2017 02:08 PM, m.roth at 5-cent.us wrote: >>>> d) And then there stuff that I'm not sure of the purpose... like eclipse, that needs 2GB to run... for an editor. >>>> mark "my web pages proudly built in vi!" >>> And mine on medon.htt-consult.com done with Geany. >>> Using a editor that understands html tags so you can collapse ones not being edited does make life simpler. Also lets you know, indirectly, when your copy and pasting messed up the tag pairing. >> Yeah, well, I've tried word processors, and, years back, I tried Quanta, >> which was specifically for working on web pages, and the HTML generated by >> all word processors sucks dead Mar-a-Lago roaches. And *all* of them want >> to left-justify, even if there's an option not to, and you set that, rather than leaving it properly indented. Just to add a bit to discussion. There are tools (editors) to edit html code for web pages. Looking at some html documents I see a lot of junk added by these tools. Who will blame stupid program that is designed to handle everything for doing that? Not me. But I do not what any junk inside anything I wrote. Do you want "mozilla generator" in the hidden field of your html document? But I must confess: I do not write html or php webpages (except for most trivial ones, or editing ones written by someone else). And as Mark I use vi for that (and almost for everything, fancy formatted printouts may be exemption). Will you be surprised by the fact that some web servers are configured to not serve files ending with tilde symbol "~"? As these will be served as text verbatim, and therefore will disclose whateve you have inside file with the same name without tilde. I know more than one web developer who use emacs, edits files in situ (not elsewhere) and never even think of cleaning xxxx~ files. Valeri > The forced left justify part reminds me of a conversation I had > with a vendor last year. It was something on the lines of "I know this might come as a shock to you but there are people out there who has phone numbers that are not exactly 9 digits long and postal codes with letters and numbers." > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++