On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Valeri Galtsev <galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu> wrote: > On Thu, April 13, 2017 1:38 pm, Mauricio Tavares wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 2:06 PM, <m.roth at 5-cent.us> wrote: > >> Robert Moskowitz wrote: > >>> On 04/12/2017 02:08 PM, m.roth at 5-cent.us wrote: > >>>> d) And then there stuff that I'm not sure of the purpose... like > eclipse, that needs 2GB to run... for an editor. > >>>> mark "my web pages proudly built in vi!" > >>> And mine on medon.htt-consult.com done with Geany. > >>> Using a editor that understands html tags so you can collapse ones not > being edited does make life simpler. Also lets you know, indirectly, > when your copy and pasting messed up the tag pairing. > >> Yeah, well, I've tried word processors, and, years back, I tried > Quanta, > >> which was specifically for working on web pages, and the HTML generated > by > >> all word processors sucks dead Mar-a-Lago roaches. And *all* of them > want > >> to left-justify, even if there's an option not to, and you set that, > rather than leaving it properly indented. > > Just to add a bit to discussion. There are tools (editors) to edit html > code for web pages. Looking at some html documents I see a lot of junk > added by these tools. Who will blame stupid program that is designed to > handle everything for doing that? Not me. But I do not what any junk > inside anything I wrote. Do you want "mozilla generator" in the hidden > field of your html document? But I must confess: I do not write html or > php webpages (except for most trivial ones, or editing ones written by > someone else). And as Mark I use vi for that (and almost for everything, > fancy formatted printouts may be exemption). Will you be surprised by the > fact that some web servers are configured to not serve files ending with > tilde symbol "~"? As these will be served as text verbatim, and therefore > will disclose whateve you have inside file with the same name without > tilde. I know more than one web developer who use emacs, edits files in > situ (not elsewhere) and never even think of cleaning xxxx~ files. > > Valeri > > > The forced left justify part reminds me of a conversation I had > > with a vendor last year. It was something on the lines of "I know this > might come as a shock to you but there are people out there who has > phone numbers that are not exactly 9 digits long and postal codes with > letters and numbers." > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Valeri Galtsev > Sr System Administrator > Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics > Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics > University of Chicago > Phone: 773-702-4247 > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > I have been known to code complete html sites with pretty deep css in vi :) I use Atom lately for any code work and like it. https://atom.io/ Cameron