On 2018-11-10 03:22, Alice Wonder wrote: > On 11/09/2018 12:07 PM, Warren Young wrote: >> On Nov 9, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Vic Chester <vcsubscriptions at gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> https://protonmail.com/ >> >> Aside from semi-charitable organizations like that, I wouldn’t expect >> good free email service to exist. It’s seriously complicated to run a >> properly-configured email server. >> >> The last time I looked into it, there were something like 24 separate >> RFCs an SMTP-only server had to implement, and much of that complexity >> spills over into the administration side, such as DKIM setup. Then >> you have everything outside of the protocol such as spam filtering, >> blacklist/greylist/whitelist maintenance, TLS key updates, OS updates, >> etc. >> >> Expect to pay for what you use, either by throwing a whole lot of your >> own time at it or paying someone to spend that time on your behalf. >> Unless you’re doing this for educational or professional reasons, >> where the time spent is paid back handsomely, it’s probably a better >> trade to pay someone to handle it for you. >> _______________________________________________ > > Plus there's constantly dealing with spam lists. > > I run my own, using postfix + dovecot + roundcube, but because I can't > afford my own subnet - I end up constantly on spam blacklists when > someone else on my subnet sends spam. > > The blacklists don't care that I've had these IP addresses for years, > never spam, etc. - they just see someone on the subnet spam and they > blacklist the entire subnet and you have to fill out their form to get > removed, often to just be added again in a week. > > It's a real pain the arse. FWIW, I used to run my mail server at home, on my own private IP (through my ISP). When I moved, in May, I had to switch providers and they didn't offer static IP for home users, so I've moved my DNS and mail server to the cloud. Between the two of them, they cost me about $50/month...not cheap, but my IP isn't automatically on blacklists and I control everything, including inbound spam protection. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org "It's always suicide-mission this, save-the-planet that. No one ever just stops by to say 'hi' anymore." --Colonel Jack O'Neill, SG1