On 25/09/2019 03:12, Fred Smith wrote: > On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 11:54:34PM +0100, Liam O'Toole wrote: >> On Tue, 24 Sep, 2019 at 14:48:57 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: >>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 21:27:07 +0100 >>> Liam O'Toole wrote: >>> >>>> If the availability of a particular desktop environment is a >>>> showstopper, then perhaps RHEL and CentOS are not the best choice for >>>> you. >>> >>> That may be, but in view of the fact that you can even get a version of CDE that works (very well) on Centos 7 (https://github.com/dcantrell/cderpm if you're interested), I find it difficult to believe that a widely used and mature desktop like Mate will just disappear on a widely used and mature Linux distribution like Centos. >>> >> >> I'm not suggesting that it will. A few years ago, soon after the source >> code of CDE was released, I downloaded, compiled, and installed CDE in a >> CentOS 6 VM. Why? Because I could. But would I conduct any serious >> business in that environment? Of course not. And why is that? Because it >> receives no enterprise support. >> >>> And since I've been using Centos for everything for a lot of years I'm not in a hurry to change to something else if I can avoid it. >>> >>>> Providing and maintaining >>>> alternative desktop environments over the (long) life cycle of CentOS 8 >>>> will require a sustained effort by volunteers over many years. >>> >>> If that isn't being organized by someone at this time, I would be frankly surprised. >> >> It could well be that someone is organising it. On the other hand, it >> could be not. Either way, it will not be supported by RHEL and CentOS. >> What happens when a critical vulnerability is discovered in that >> software? Who will notify you of it? Who will fix it? >> >> At the time of writing, Mate in EPEL 7 is still at version 1.16. The >> upstream version is at 1.22. Have any critical vulnerabilities been >> fixed in the meantime? I have no idea. Do you? > > Nope. > > OTOH, if I was forced to use Gnome, I may well go shoot myself. Like they say, Linux is all about choice. :-)