On 12/8/20 10:29 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote: > On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 11:15:04AM -0500, Rich Bowen wrote: >> That page was never a contract. It's a web page published by an open source >> project. Please do not misconstrue it as a contract. > > I don't think anyone seriously thought it was a contract. > > Open Source works largely on trust. Trust that the developers aren't > going to intentionally harm their users, and the trust that those > developers will provide a consistent product. Developers earn the > trust of their users. Trust is the basic commodity for Open Source. > > That doesn't mean that open source providers always provide those > things. There are many, many stories out there where upstream makes > an abrupt change that their users dislike. And if you've broken that > trust, end users are going to be wary of ever putting any more trust > in the developers. > > Maybe the CentOS Stream thing will work out OK for everyone. But the > way this was announced, there are a lot of people who have lost trust > in CentOS and Red Hat. Changing the end of life for CentOS 8 has > broken our trust in the project. > > I see a lot of promises that Stream will have better engagement with > the community. Why would we trust these promises? > You should NOT trust them. You should observe them.