Il 11/12/20 12:59, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS ha scritto: > On 11.12.2020 17:41, Alessandro Baggi wrote: >> Il 11/12/20 10:24, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS ha scritto: >>> My primary objection is breach of trust. RH shouldn't have lied at least >>> to CentOS community. >>> >>> Other bug-to-bug compatible RHEL clones will replace the CentOS, so this >>> is the part I am less worried about. If someone is happy with CentOS >>> Stream, that's fine. I am not, but that's (not only) my problem. >> This. >> >> Centos Stream is NOT a REPLACEMENT of CentOS, it is a different >> "product" used as a rhel preview (and testing platform for next rhel >> releases [minor/major]). This is a simple direction change for a >> corporation. I accept this without any problem, they have not any legal >> duty with CentOS community. Ethically, wow...they should ask itself WTF >> did they done. But no problem..many of us have imagined this since IBM >> ops (also if this is a centos board decision), today it is reality. >> Really there is nothing new for me (This is why I started to find >> alternatives for my case usage since 8 was released waiting the switch >> to see if direction was good) >> >> The days you install CentOS as server distro for stability and >> compatibility are gone. I always used centos and not rhel because I >> don't need support. I don't need CentOS Stream so I will not use it. >> CentOS 8, with its all defects, was enough for me and I think I will not >> use rhel until forced. So for me (and many) there is not an alternative >> then to change ship and switch to Debian/Ubuntu LTS that are not bad >> systems. Intended, there are other alternatives like SUSE/OpenSUSE, OL >> and other... > I started intensively using Debian, Ubuntu and Kali 3+ years ago. So > far, they are solid enough (talking of LTS) and quite reliable, as > CentOS 6 was. > >> I read many times that Debian/Ubuntu LTS are not centos/rhel, this is >> true (they are different products) but please, stop saying this, them >> are not shitty distro..but when I read that many users use fedora as >> server distro I laugh. >> >> I'm not in enterprise so I don't need this type of "support" and can >> change the distro without any problem but I will stay away from >> CentOS/RH products due to 0 trust in them. >> >> For the past years, for CentOS 6,7 and 8 thank you Johnny, Rich and all >> other maintainers. You did a great job. > I agree, I think I leave this thread on a good line. The maintainers did > great job (and I hope they will keep doing it). But "tempora mutantur, > and nos mutamus in illis". Good luck to all of us. > "tempora mutantur, and nos mutamus in illis" +1