On 11.12.2020 17:41, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > Il 11/12/20 10:24, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS ha scritto: >> My primary objection is breach of trust. RH shouldn't have lied at least >> to CentOS community. >> >> Other bug-to-bug compatible RHEL clones will replace the CentOS, so this >> is the part I am less worried about. If someone is happy with CentOS >> Stream, that's fine. I am not, but that's (not only) my problem. > > This. > > Centos Stream is NOT a REPLACEMENT of CentOS, it is a different > "product" used as a rhel preview (and testing platform for next rhel > releases [minor/major]). This is a simple direction change for a > corporation. I accept this without any problem, they have not any legal > duty with CentOS community. Ethically, wow...they should ask itself WTF > did they done. But no problem..many of us have imagined this since IBM > ops (also if this is a centos board decision), today it is reality. > Really there is nothing new for me (This is why I started to find > alternatives for my case usage since 8 was released waiting the switch > to see if direction was good) > > The days you install CentOS as server distro for stability and > compatibility are gone. I always used centos and not rhel because I > don't need support. I don't need CentOS Stream so I will not use it. > CentOS 8, with its all defects, was enough for me and I think I will not > use rhel until forced. So for me (and many) there is not an alternative > then to change ship and switch to Debian/Ubuntu LTS that are not bad > systems. Intended, there are other alternatives like SUSE/OpenSUSE, OL > and other... I started intensively using Debian, Ubuntu and Kali 3+ years ago. So far, they are solid enough (talking of LTS) and quite reliable, as CentOS 6 was. > I read many times that Debian/Ubuntu LTS are not centos/rhel, this is > true (they are different products) but please, stop saying this, them > are not shitty distro..but when I read that many users use fedora as > server distro I laugh. > > I'm not in enterprise so I don't need this type of "support" and can > change the distro without any problem but I will stay away from > CentOS/RH products due to 0 trust in them. > > For the past years, for CentOS 6,7 and 8 thank you Johnny, Rich and all > other maintainers. You did a great job. I agree, I think I leave this thread on a good line. The maintainers did great job (and I hope they will keep doing it). But "tempora mutantur, and nos mutamus in illis". Good luck to all of us. -- Sincerely, Konstantin Boyandin system administrator (ProWide Labs Ltd. - IPHost Network Monitor)