[CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

Thu Apr 29 16:22:58 UTC 2021
Valeri Galtsev <galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu>


On 4/29/21 11:13 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> On 4/29/21 10:51 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 4/29/21 10:34 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>>> On 4/27/21 11:45 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>> In other words, both of the following are true (IMHO):
>>>>
>>>> A. Johnny's rigorous statement of what CentOS now is (or yours, it
>>>> doesn't actually matter who rigorously states it, but Johnny's seemed to
>>>> really cover all aspects - maybe it's just my reading though)
>>>>
>>>> B. "CentOS is binary replica of RedHat Enterprise Linux" statement is
>>>> not true as far as new releases are concerned, i.e. not true to build
>>>> one's future on it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But as everyone is agreed it is counter productive to ponder these
>>>> things, I will end my side of it by reiterating:
>>>>
>>>
>>> As was stated at Red hat summit though .. while Stream will not be a
>>> copy of the downstream RHEL code anymore .. it WILL BE extreamly similar
>>> to RHEL + a couple months.  In fact at 8.4 release .. Stream is very
>>> similar t0 RHEL 8.4 with NO WAITING.  CentOS Linux 8 getting upgraded to
>>> the 8.4 source code, tested, isos created, etc .. will take a month or
>>> so, Stream already has all that content in it RIGHT NOW.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, this all sounds nice, but not good enough if you put yourself in my
>> shoes when I suggest my user:
>>
>> A. "I am going to install CentOS which is binary replica of RedHat
>> Enterprise", so whatever works on RedHat Enterprise will work on CentOS
>> [implying my reputation behind merely an ability to install binary
>> packages and common sense of what binary files are there on both systems
>> in questions]
>>
>> B. There is CentOS which is promised (I am borrowing your phrasing here)
>> "WILL BE extreamly similar to RHEL + a couple months"
>>
>> but in the second  case I can not put my reputation at stake and finish
>> my phrase with "whatever works on RedHat Enterprise will work on CentOS".
>>
>> So my latest phrasing to my users/machine owners - which I can put my
>> reputation behind - is:
>>
>> I am going to install Debian for you, and as in the past whatever works
>> on some Linux I should be able to make work on your Debian machine.
>>
>> The last I can put my reputation behind, and my user knows it might not
>> be as simple as installing binary packages known to work on RedHat
>> Enterprise, and knows there will be some effort/time on my side involved.
>>
>>
>> My apologies for breaking my promise to stop pondering the issue ;-(
>>
>> Valeri
>>
>>> I think that is a positive , not a negative.
>>>
>>> <snip>
> 
> And as I have said several times .. if you (or anyone else) thinks
> something works better or Stream does not work for you, that is fine.
> Use what you want or like.
> 
> We make what we make. If one can use it, great.  If not, that's great as
> well.
> 
> This is opening up the RHEL creation process in an unbelievable way to
> community involvement.  I an proud to have been involved in mkae this
> process so open.
> 

Quite agree. For me, not too knowledgeable in these things person, this 
looks exactly what Fedoraa while ago  was: huge opening of RedHat to 
wide open source community. Maybe Fedora didn't live up to the 
expectation, then good luck to CentOS to live up to this expectation.

I hope, no one is offended by my - restricted - view of this, personal 
perception is just that and bound to be restricted to person's knowledge ;-)

Valeri

> I think CentOS Stream is a much more community project that CentOS Linux
> ever was.  I also think it is better for the open source community and
> Linux distros in general.  For people whole don't think this, we can
> agree to disagree.  it does not make either of us right or wrong.
> 
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