Hi, On Thu, 4 Feb 2021, Warren Young wrote: > On Feb 4, 2021, at 8:39 AM, Lamar Owen <lowen at pari.edu> wrote: >> >> I posted a pretty complete rundown on the scientific linux users mailing >> list, so I won't recap it all here. > > Link? > >> the transition was not any more difficult, really, than moving from CentOS 7 >> to CentOS 8. > > That's not my experience. > > I keep several of my packages running on CentOS and Debian (and more) and I > keep running into several common problems: > > 1. The package names are often different, and not always differing by an > obvious translation rule. For instance, it's openldap-devel on > CentOS but libldap2-dev on Debian, where the normal rule would make > it libopenldap-dev. Why the difference? Dunno, but I have to track > such things down when setting up scripts that do cross-distro builds. If I > automate that translation, now I'm setting myself up for a future breakage > when the package names change again. (libldap3-dev?) Yep!! It is a pita when trying to get things running for the first time. I started this journey on a couple samba DC's before the Red Hat announcement. Libraries are almost always different names but even common packages like dhcp and bind have different names, configuration files and commands to do the same thing. Most of it is not that hard to figure out but it does take time to do it and it is a lot more work than going from CentOS 7 to CentOS 8. > 2. Some packages simply won't??t be available. Most often this happens in > the Debian -> CentOS direction, but I've run into cases going the other > way. Just for one, I currently have to install NPM from source on Debian > because the platform version won't work properly with the platform version > of Node, last time I tested it. Why? Same answer as above. > > 3. Debian adopted systemd, but it didn't adopt the rest of the Red Hat > userland tooling. For instance, it's firewalld on CentOS, UFW on Ubuntu, > and raw kernel firewall manipulation on Debian unless you install one of those > two. And then, which? Their systemd implementation is my biggest problem with Debian based systems. Debian moved to systemd but only partially. Apparently Debian decided to only kind of move to systemd. Tab completion on systemd commands does not work. If you look in /etc/init.d there are a bunch of sysv init scripts. Converting to systemd is a big enough pita without having a system that is half sysv and half systemd. It would be nice if they would make up their minds. Either bite the bullet and convert everything to systemd or stay with sysv :-( Before somebody brings it up, yes, I know there is Devuan. I do not wish to go even further back in time. > > 4. Network configuration is almost entirely different unless you turn off all > the automation on all platforms, in which case you might as well switch to > macOS or FreeBSD for all the good your muscle memory and training will do you. +1 It is a whole different process. It takes me back about 15 years. > > I'm not saying don't do it, but to say it's as smooth as > from CentOS 7 to 8? Hard sell. Agreed!! Regards, -- Tom me at tdiehl.org