Does anyone know CENTOS/Redhat 6.X compatible to ORACLE software (X86 and X86_64) version like 9.X, 10GR2, 11G and 11GR2.
Any official document say that?
Thanks.
On 29 December 2011 12:30, mcclnx mcc mcclnx@yahoo.com.tw wrote:
Does anyone know CENTOS/Redhat 6.X compatible to ORACLE software (X86 and X86_64) version like 9.X, 10GR2, 11G and 11GR2.
It is not.
Any official document say that?
See Metalink 1304727.1.
On Dec 29, 2011, at 7:30, mcclnx mcc mcclnx@yahoo.com.tw wrote:
Does anyone know CENTOS/Redhat 6.X compatible to ORACLE software (X86 and X86_64) version like 9.X, 10GR2, 11G and 11GR2.
Any official document say that?
OEL6 is rebuilt RHEL6. CentOS 6 is rebuilt RHEL6.
I think it'll be ok.
On 29 December 2011 12:42, John Broome jbroome@gmail.com wrote:
OEL6 is rebuilt RHEL6. CentOS 6 is rebuilt RHEL6.
Funnily enough, OEL6 is excluded from the certified list of Linux distributions hence no, it is not a good idea to install it and then expect Oracle to support it even though RedHat has submitted it for certification in August 2011. It looks like Oracle has no incentive to get on with the certification. RHEL/OEL 6 has been out for ages now, the only obvious thing is merge with Sun must have given them an other OS to push instead of Oracle. Baffles me.
11.2 OS versions and minimum levels: Asianux 3 SP2 and higher Oracle Linux 4 Update 7 and higher Oracle Linux 5 Update 2 and higher Red Hat Enterprise 4 Update 7 and higher Red Hat Enterprise 5 Update 2 and higher SLES 10 SP2 and higher SLES 11
On 12/29/11 4:30 AM, mcclnx mcc wrote:
Does anyone know CENTOS/Redhat 6.X compatible to ORACLE software (X86 and X86_64) version like 9.X, 10GR2, 11G and 11GR2.
11.2.0.3(I think is latest?) seems to work fine on CentOS 6.1, however RHEL6 (and all versions of CentOS) are completely unsupported by Oracle, so I wouldn't plan on using it for any sort of production where you expect support. there were some minor ignorable issues in install, like it claimed the system is missing some old packages
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 13:57, John R Pierce pierce@hogranch.com wrote:
On 12/29/11 4:30 AM, mcclnx mcc wrote:
Does anyone know CENTOS/Redhat 6.X compatible to ORACLE software (X86 and X86_64) version like 9.X, 10GR2, 11G and 11GR2.
11.2.0.3(I think is latest?) seems to work fine on CentOS 6.1, however RHEL6 (and all versions of CentOS) are completely unsupported by Oracle, so I wouldn't plan on using it for any sort of production where you expect support. there were some minor ignorable issues in install, like it claimed the system is missing some old packages
So if oracle isn't certified to run on OEL 6, did oracle roll it out just for shits and giggles?
On 12/29/2011 01:01 PM, John Broome wrote:
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 13:57, John R Pierce pierce@hogranch.com wrote:
On 12/29/11 4:30 AM, mcclnx mcc wrote:
Does anyone know CENTOS/Redhat 6.X compatible to ORACLE software (X86 and X86_64) version like 9.X, 10GR2, 11G and 11GR2.
11.2.0.3(I think is latest?) seems to work fine on CentOS 6.1, however RHEL6 (and all versions of CentOS) are completely unsupported by Oracle, so I wouldn't plan on using it for any sort of production where you expect support. there were some minor ignorable issues in install, like it claimed the system is missing some old packages
So if oracle isn't certified to run on OEL 6, did oracle roll it out just for shits and giggles?
No, they rolled it out as a Linux distribution. Believe it or not, people do other things besides run Oracle databases on Linux :)
I am sure they will certify their database systems on OEL 6.x in the future.
They can't very well (at least not with a straight face) tell Red Hat that RHEL6 is not certified while saying that OEL6 is certified can they? If they do that for very long, they will be breaching their support agreements.
If their goal is to move people off RHEL and to OEL (I think it is), then not certifying the latest version while trying to convert people seems like the way to go. Once they have a bunch of converts, then they certify OEL6 and some short time later RHEL6. They need to wait though, until they make the kernel better support the Oracle database though, like they did for OEL5.
In the meantime, they get their super whamidyne kernel for OEL5 in the press ... the only real thing they promote as different between RHEL5 and OEL5 ... which gives their linux better and quicker Oracle database support and they try grabbing customers with that difference.
Johnny Hughes wrote:
On 12/29/2011 01:01 PM, John Broome wrote:
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 13:57, John R Pierce pierce@hogranch.com wrote:
On 12/29/11 4:30 AM, mcclnx mcc wrote:
Does anyone know CENTOS/Redhat 6.X compatible to ORACLE software (X86 and X86_64) version like 9.X, 10GR2, 11G and 11GR2.
11.2.0.3(I think is latest?) seems to work fine on CentOS 6.1, however RHEL6 (and all versions of CentOS) are completely unsupported by Oracle, so I wouldn't plan on using it for any sort of production where you expect support. there were some minor ignorable issues in install, like it claimed the system is missing some old packages
So if oracle isn't certified to run on OEL 6, did oracle roll it out just for shits and giggles?
No, they rolled it out as a Linux distribution. Believe it or not, people do other things besides run Oracle databases on Linux :)
I am sure they will certify their database systems on OEL 6.x in the future.
They can't very well (at least not with a straight face) tell Red Hat that RHEL6 is not certified while saying that OEL6 is certified can they? If they do that for very long, they will be breaching their support agreements.
<snip> Let me also note that whatever else Oracle is, they're not stupid when it comes to selling, and there are many, many more RHEL installations than there are OUL.
mark
On 12/29/2011 01:19 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Johnny Hughes wrote:
On 12/29/2011 01:01 PM, John Broome wrote:
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 13:57, John R Pierce pierce@hogranch.com wrote:
On 12/29/11 4:30 AM, mcclnx mcc wrote:
Does anyone know CENTOS/Redhat 6.X compatible to ORACLE software (X86 and X86_64) version like 9.X, 10GR2, 11G and 11GR2.
11.2.0.3(I think is latest?) seems to work fine on CentOS 6.1, however RHEL6 (and all versions of CentOS) are completely unsupported by Oracle, so I wouldn't plan on using it for any sort of production where you expect support. there were some minor ignorable issues in install, like it claimed the system is missing some old packages
So if oracle isn't certified to run on OEL 6, did oracle roll it out just for shits and giggles?
No, they rolled it out as a Linux distribution. Believe it or not, people do other things besides run Oracle databases on Linux :)
I am sure they will certify their database systems on OEL 6.x in the future.
They can't very well (at least not with a straight face) tell Red Hat that RHEL6 is not certified while saying that OEL6 is certified can they? If they do that for very long, they will be breaching their support agreements.
<snip> Let me also note that whatever else Oracle is, they're not stupid when it comes to selling, and there are many, many more RHEL installations than there are OUL.
But if you have a license for rhel6, you can also run rhel5 ... therefore, they get their supported sales by supporting rhel5, while still claiming their kernel is better and trying to drive people to their product.
Where is their incentive to support rhel6 until much closer to March 31, 2017 (rhel5 EOL Date).
Johnny Hughes wrote:
On 12/29/2011 01:19 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Johnny Hughes wrote:
On 12/29/2011 01:01 PM, John Broome wrote:
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 13:57, John R Pierce pierce@hogranch.com wrote:
On 12/29/11 4:30 AM, mcclnx mcc wrote:
Does anyone know CENTOS/Redhat 6.X compatible to ORACLE software (X86 and X86_64) version like 9.X, 10GR2, 11G and 11GR2.
11.2.0.3(I think is latest?) seems to work fine on CentOS 6.1, however RHEL6 (and all versions of CentOS) are completely unsupported by Oracle, so I wouldn't plan on using it for any sort of production where you expect support. there were some minor ignorable issues in install, like it claimed the system is missing some old packages
So if oracle isn't certified to run on OEL 6, did oracle roll it out just for shits and giggles?
No, they rolled it out as a Linux distribution. Believe it or not, people do other things besides run Oracle databases on Linux :)
I am sure they will certify their database systems on OEL 6.x in the future.
They can't very well (at least not with a straight face) tell Red Hat that RHEL6 is not certified while saying that OEL6 is certified can they? If they do that for very long, they will be breaching their support agreements.
<snip> Let me also note that whatever else Oracle is, they're not stupid when it comes to selling, and there are many, many more RHEL installations than there are OUL.
But if you have a license for rhel6, you can also run rhel5 ... therefore, they get their supported sales by supporting rhel5, while still claiming their kernel is better and trying to drive people to their product.
Where is their incentive to support rhel6 until much closer to March 31, 2017 (rhel5 EOL Date).
As I said, there are many, many more RHEL installations, and most of them will want to go to RHEL6 within the coming year. And, of course, some of those installations are LARGE$$$$$$$ customers of Oracle (for example, I have personal knowledge that AT&T uses RHEL extensively). When they lean, Oracle will fall all over themselves, if only to make more money.
mark
On 29 December 2011 19:01, John Broome jbroome@gmail.com wrote:
So if oracle isn't certified to run on OEL 6, did oracle roll it out just for shits and giggles?
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On 29 December 2011 19:31, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
As I said, there are many, many more RHEL installations, and most of them will want to go to RHEL6 within the coming year. And, of course, some of those installations are LARGE$$$$$$$ customers of Oracle (for example, I have personal knowledge that AT&T uses RHEL extensively). When they lean, Oracle will fall all over themselves, if only to make more money.
I suspect we will see RHEL/OEL6 officially supported when they decide to release Oracle 12, since they have already released the new grid manager (12c for cloud, unfortunately not for Cthulhu, now that'd be really awesome!)...
OEM 12c is certified for RHEL/OEL 6.1. It looks like 11g will not be ever certified.
If anyone knows when DB 12c is expected...
On 29 December 2011 19:15, Johnny Hughes johnny@centos.org wrote:
They can't very well (at least not with a straight face) tell Red Hat that RHEL6 is not certified while saying that OEL6 is certified can they? If they do that for very long, they will be breaching their support agreements.
Really? In what way, out of interest?
Hint: they're not.
On 01/01/2012 06:07 PM, Christopher J. Buckley wrote:
On 29 December 2011 19:15, Johnny Hughes johnny@centos.org wrote:
They can't very well (at least not with a straight face) tell Red Hat that RHEL6 is not certified while saying that OEL6 is certified can they? If they do that for very long, they will be breaching their support agreements.
Really? In what way, out of interest?
Hint: they're not.
I am talking about likely preexisting contracts between Red Hat and Oracle where new products are certified in a timely matter.
This is an example of a disputed contract between Oracle and another party:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-15/hp-sues-oracle-in-california-over-b...
(Note: I am not saying one or the other party in the above are right or wrong, just showing it as an example of the kinds of partnership agreements that Oracle has with other companies)
And my point is, right now Oracle can say that they have not certified their own OEL6 either ... therefore, one can not expect RHEL6 to be certified either. If they certify OEL6 for a version of Oracle Database, it would be difficult for them to tell Red Hat that they can not certify RHEL6 or that there are issues with that version of their Oracle Database.
Maybe Oracle does not have a preferred agreement with Red Hat to certify future products in a timely manner ... but I would find that highly unlikely.
On 2 January 2012 15:46, Johnny Hughes johnny@centos.org wrote:
And my point is, right now Oracle can say that they have not certified their own OEL6 either ... therefore, one can not expect RHEL6 to be certified either. If they certify OEL6 for a version of Oracle Database, it would be difficult for them to tell Red Hat that they can not certify RHEL6 or that there are issues with that version of their Oracle Database.
It is their software, I am sure they can certify against any arbitrary OS as they like. I don't believe they have any agreement with anyone for any future support. They have been de-supporting other platforms at will (well, no one is going to cry after loss of Titanic support, I am sure about that). Worse, they can say 'RHEL only with Unbreakable Kernel' which they have already started to state for various technologies (i.e., ASMLib). (Now I am way off topic here) It is obvious that their whole plan is to somehow get RedHat bankrupt so that they can buy it cheap. There's no other explanation about their OEL support policy & prices.I admit all they to is within GPL therefore legal but just not nice. I don't have to like it. Unfortunately at work for various reason I am using more and more OEL than RHEL.
More than once I had trouble with differences between OEL Ubreakable Kernel and std. upstream/Centos kernels. As far as I can see, pretty soon I cannot treat OEL as an identical platform (like CentOS) to upstream and expect things just work,
Somebody in Oracle told me, they need one year to test, I'm not sure, it's true or not.
At 2012-01-02 Mon 09:46 -0600，Johnny Hughes wrote：
On 01/01/2012 06:07 PM, Christopher J. Buckley wrote:
On 29 December 2011 19:15, Johnny Hughes johnny@centos.org wrote:
They can't very well (at least not with a straight face) tell Red Hat that RHEL6 is not certified while saying that OEL6 is certified can they? If they do that for very long, they will be breaching their support agreements.
Really? In what way, out of interest?
Hint: they're not.
I am talking about likely preexisting contracts between Red Hat and Oracle where new products are certified in a timely matter.
This is an example of a disputed contract between Oracle and another party:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-15/hp-sues-oracle-in-california-over-b...
(Note: I am not saying one or the other party in the above are right or wrong, just showing it as an example of the kinds of partnership agreements that Oracle has with other companies)
And my point is, right now Oracle can say that they have not certified their own OEL6 either ... therefore, one can not expect RHEL6 to be certified either. If they certify OEL6 for a version of Oracle Database, it would be difficult for them to tell Red Hat that they can not certify RHEL6 or that there are issues with that version of their Oracle Database.
Maybe Oracle does not have a preferred agreement with Red Hat to certify future products in a timely manner ... but I would find that highly unlikely.
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
2012/1/4 An Yang an.euroford@gmail.com
Somebody in Oracle told me, they need one year to test, I'm not sure, it's true or not.
That's about right. The testing isn't done by Oracle btw, it's done by the end vendor.
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 6:30 AM, mcclnx mcc mcclnx@yahoo.com.tw wrote:
Does anyone know CENTOS/Redhat 6.X compatible to ORACLE software (X86 and X86_64) version like 9.X, 10GR2, 11G and 11GR2.
Any official document say that?
Apart from everything else said here, this is well worth a read -> http://en.community.dell.com/techcenter/b/techcenter/archive/2012/01/03/dell...
On 01/04/2012 04:29 AM, Christopher J. Buckley wrote:
2012/1/4 An Yang an.euroford@gmail.com
Somebody in Oracle told me, they need one year to test, I'm not sure, it's true or not.
That's about right. The testing isn't done by Oracle btw, it's done by the end vendor.
The "end vendor" submitted the information to Oracle months ago:
http://www.redhat.com/about/news/blog/Red-Hat-Submits-Oracle-11gR2-on-Red-Ha...
Oracle does not want to support ASMLib on any kernel other than OEL (or UBL if you prefer):
https://www.redhat.com/archives/rhelv6-list/2011-December/msg00032.html
The bottom line is that Oracle IS going to try to drive people to their version of Linux and off RHEL.
But I know, I am just be paranoid or some other such thing. Right Christopher?
At 2012-01-04 Wed 09:53 -0600，Johnny Hughes wrote：
On 01/04/2012 04:29 AM, Christopher J. Buckley wrote:
2012/1/4 An Yang an.euroford@gmail.com
Somebody in Oracle told me, they need one year to test, I'm not sure, it's true or not.
That's about right. The testing isn't done by Oracle btw, it's done by the end vendor.
The "end vendor" submitted the information to Oracle months ago:
http://www.redhat.com/about/news/blog/Red-Hat-Submits-Oracle-11gR2-on-Red-Ha...
Greate! "end vendor" people said, Consequently, we confidently recommend the deployment of Oracle 11gR2 in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 production environments today.
Oracle does not want to support ASMLib on any kernel other than OEL (or UBL if you prefer):
https://www.redhat.com/archives/rhelv6-list/2011-December/msg00032.html
The bottom line is that Oracle IS going to try to drive people to their version of Linux and off RHEL.
But I know, I am just be paranoid or some other such thing. Right Christopher?
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
2012/1/5 An Yang an.euroford@gmail.com:
Greate! "end vendor" people said, Consequently, we confidently recommend the deployment of Oracle 11gR2 in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 production environments today.
Your database support agreement is not with "the end vendor" but the database software supplier and as far as they are concerned, it is not certified and they are under no obligation to support you.
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 09:53:16AM -0600, Johnny Hughes wrote:
On 01/04/2012 04:29 AM, Christopher J. Buckley wrote:
2012/1/4 An Yang an.euroford@gmail.com
Somebody in Oracle told me, they need one year to test, I'm not sure, it's true or not.
That's about right. The testing isn't done by Oracle btw, it's done by the end vendor.
The "end vendor" submitted the information to Oracle months ago:
http://www.redhat.com/about/news/blog/Red-Hat-Submits-Oracle-11gR2-on-Red-Ha...
Oracle does not want to support ASMLib on any kernel other than OEL (or UBL if you prefer):
https://www.redhat.com/archives/rhelv6-list/2011-December/msg00032.html
The bottom line is that Oracle IS going to try to drive people to their version of Linux and off RHEL.
But I know, I am just be paranoid or some other such thing. Right Christopher?
http://en.community.dell.com/techcenter/b/techcenter/archive/2012/01/03/dell... http://en.community.dell.com/techcenter/enterprise-solutions/w/oracle_soluti...
-- Pasi
On 01/05/12 2:11 PM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
http://en.community.dell.com/techcenter/b/techcenter/archive/2012/01/03/dell... http://en.community.dell.com/techcenter/enterprise-solutions/w/oracle_soluti...
the bottom line for Oracle Support is whatever Oracle says they support. last I looked, EL6 wasn't on that list (nor is ANY version of CentOS)
http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E11882_01/install.112/e16763/pre_install.htm#CIHFI...
this doesn't mean it won't work, but what it does mean is that if something goes sideways on you, oracle won't help you one bit, and since you pay a substantial chunk of money annually for that precious support, its insane NOT to use a supported platform.
On Jan 5, 2012, at 3:26 PM, John R Pierce wrote:
this doesn't mean it won't work, but what it does mean is that if something goes sideways on you, oracle won't help you one bit, and since you pay a substantial chunk of money annually for that precious support, its insane NOT to use a supported platform.
---- seems to me that the sanity issue was forefront at the point before when they chose to use Oracle in the first place but Larry loves you.
Reminds me of Animal House... "thank you sir, may I have another?"
Craig
On 5 January 2012 22:11, Pasi Kärkkäinen pasik@iki.fi wrote:
http://en.community.dell.com/techcenter/b/techcenter/archive/2012/01/03/dell... http://en.community.dell.com/techcenter/enterprise-solutions/w/oracle_soluti...
And?
First paragraph from the first link clearly states, I quote from it: DISCLAIMER: The following is Engineering Documentation provided by Dell and is a technology preview only. At this time the following configuration is not supported by Dell, Red Hat, or Oracle. The contents of this article should be only viewed as an engineering demonstration.
What's the point? There is no justification for having RHEL/CentOS or even OEL6 and running a production Oracle instance on it. Months after RH's certification submission, Oracle still refuses to certify these platforms, even its own OEL6. If you are shelling out thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands (or millions according to a suggested architecture I reviewed today) for a customer, go and get a supported OS.
If you have the time to tinker with it to get it working, excellent, I'm sure plenty of lessons learned - I had it running on single DB RHEL6 ages ago and it works fine. Will I suggest to a customer? No. Will I risk any development on it? No. Will I recommend it to anyone? No. I am running Oracle 11gR2 on my Kubuntu 11.10 work laptop and it runs fine but the same applies - no recommendation to a customer, no production instance, no test instance, no certification from Oracle hence no support expected from them.
On 5 January 2012 22:47, Craig White craig.white@ttiltd.com wrote:
seems to me that the sanity issue was forefront at the point before when they chose to use Oracle in the first place but Larry loves you.
There are plenty of good reasons for using Oracle DB products - it's definitely one of the best out there - but I'm not sure I can say the same about the price tag.
On 5 January 2012 22:26, John R Pierce pierce@hogranch.com wrote:
this doesn't mean it won't work, but what it does mean is that if something goes sideways on you, oracle won't help you one bit, and since you pay a substantial chunk of money annually for that precious support, its insane NOT to use a supported platform.
I guess it depends on their mood. In various cases we raised with them on behalf of the customers, they never said get lost after we replicated it on a CentOS 5 running on VMWare in house - in both cases they have rights to say get lost. In case of CentOS , as discussed endlessly, it is not certified. For any non-Oracle-owned virtualization solution they reserve the right to say "replicate on physical hardware first". On the other hand, I can't recall a case we had which had a cause originating from the OS itself on Linux at least (AIX is a different story, there are a couple of those).
On the other hand the first nasty one will be the one you will remember! All of our Linux customers use RHEL or OEL. When they ask about CentOS, I always explain the Oracle's stand and clearly state any CentOS instance would not be supported by Oracle even though we have almost all of our in-house development instances running on it and never had a problem that didn't also happen on a RHEL environment. Once they start calculating the support costs against risk, they realize that having a valid support agreement with Oracle and RHEL actually makes sense. After you count for the Oracle licencing costs, the RHEL support becomes peanuts and since it could invalidate Oracle support, you are actually not saving any money. When the instance is just a playpen, I definitely recommend CentOS.
Still, none of this matters for v6, I think we will have to wait for Oracle 12c to come out to get OEL6 support, I am not sure about RHEL, at least w/o so-called Unbreakable Kernel malarkey.
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