Nyarai Tunjera ICT Director Gateway Primary School Box EH 121 Emeraldhill Zimbabwe www.gatewayprimary.co.zw
Forever God is Faithful Be exalted oh GOD above the heavens Let your Glory fill ALL the earth. Great is OUR God
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Nyarai Tunjera nt@gatewayprimary.co.zw wrote:
Nyarai Tunjera ICT Director Gateway Primary School Box EH 121 Emeraldhill Zimbabwe www.gatewayprimary.co.zw
Forever God is Faithful Be exalted oh GOD above the heavens Let your Glory fill ALL the earth. Great is OUR God -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Wow - so you are an ICT director? Amazing that you could be a dickhead in SO MANY WAYS in ONE EMAIL!
#1 - sending HTML email to a List that doesn't allow it
#2 - Sending an unsubscribe message to an email address that doesn't do anything with them when the information on how to unsubscribe is right in the headers to the email.
#3 attaching a totally FUCKING STUPID "OOO, OOO, OH, THIS MAIL WAS SCANNED FOR VIRUSES" message to the email LIKE A VIRUS COULDN'T PUT ONE THERE ITSELF!
#4 - Putting a stupid religious message in the email after proving God doesn't exist (Proof- God is perfect, you clearly aren't therefore God didn't create you, which means the claim that God created the Earth and everything else in the Universe is FALSE!.)
Too bad you're such a dickhead, Otherwise God would still be safe.
I wouldn't let you near a bicycle, much less a computer.
oh wait.. You're from Zimbabwe! That explains everything.
cent osserver wrote:
Wow - so you are an ICT director? Amazing that you could be a dickhead in SO MANY WAYS in ONE EMAIL!
#1 - sending HTML email to a List that doesn't allow it
#2 - Sending an unsubscribe message to an email address that doesn't do anything with them when the information on how to unsubscribe is right in the headers to the email.
#3 attaching a totally FUCKING STUPID "OOO, OOO, OH, THIS MAIL WAS SCANNED FOR VIRUSES" message to the email LIKE A VIRUS COULDN'T PUT ONE THERE ITSELF!
#4 - Putting a stupid religious message in the email after proving God doesn't exist (Proof- God is perfect, you clearly aren't therefore God didn't create you, which means the claim that God created the Earth and everything else in the Universe is FALSE!.)
Too bad you're such a dickhead, Otherwise God would still be safe.
I wouldn't let you near a bicycle, much less a computer.
oh wait.. You're from Zimbabwe! That explains everything.
Was that REALLY called for? Couldn't you have simply filed it in /dev/null?
Your language is vulgar and totally unnecessary, your rantings are OT and irrelevant, and you've managed to offend an entire religion and nation in one email. Well done, give yourself a pat on the back!
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Ned Slider ned@unixmail.co.uk wrote:
Was that REALLY called for? Couldn't you have simply filed it in /dev/null?
Yes, I should have. I gave into impulse in a weak moment and then REALLY screwed up by not noticing I was replying to the list and not the individual. (Most lists have reply-to set to the individual, not the list)
Sorry.
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 8:56 AM, cent osserver centoserver@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Ned Slider ned@unixmail.co.uk wrote:
Was that REALLY called for? Couldn't you have simply filed it in /dev/null?
Yes, I should have. I gave into impulse in a weak moment and then REALLY screwed up by not noticing I was replying to the list and not the individual. (Most lists have reply-to set to the individual, not the list)
Sorry.
If this is how you reply to people, ESPECIALLY privately, and during weak moments, your Internet privileges are hereby revoked. Your status as a decent human being isn't looking good either.
Get control over yourself. Also realize that if you were to reply to someone like this in private, you are doing more damage to the community than if you did it in public. At least if you do it in public, we can rip you apart for it. A mailing list is not there to provide you with punching bags for when you have a bad day.
On Jan 28, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Brian Mathis wrote:
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 8:56 AM, cent osserver centoserver@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Ned Slider ned@unixmail.co.uk wrote:
Was that REALLY called for? Couldn't you have simply filed it in / dev/null?
Yes, I should have. I gave into impulse in a weak moment and then REALLY screwed up by not noticing I was replying to the list and not the individual. (Most lists have reply-to set to the individual, not the list)
Sorry.
If this is how you reply to people, ESPECIALLY privately, and during weak moments, your Internet privileges are hereby revoked. Your status as a decent human being isn't looking good either.
Get control over yourself. Also realize that if you were to reply to someone like this in private, you are doing more damage to the community than if you did it in public. At least if you do it in public, we can rip you apart for it. A mailing list is not there to provide you with punching bags for when you have a bad day. _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
The information IS in the headers, but many email programs don't show the full headers, extracting only the information that many people want (subject, TO:, CC:, etc). So if you aren't aware of it being hidden in the headers, you may not notice it.
I generally look at the footers, when present, to see how to unsubscribe. And many people don't even go that far. CentOS probably should add just a little more to their footers, such as a note that the link provided is also to unsubscribe.
On Wednesday 28 January 2009 16:20:47 Kevin Krieser wrote:
The information IS in the headers, but many email programs don't show the full headers, extracting only the information that many people want (subject, TO:, CC:, etc). So if you aren't aware of it being hidden in the headers, you may not notice it.
I generally look at the footers, when present, to see how to unsubscribe. And many people don't even go that far. CentOS probably should add just a little more to their footers, such as a note that the link provided is also to unsubscribe.
It's easy to find when you know, but then we're not newbies, are we?
Anne
On Jan 28, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Wednesday 28 January 2009 16:20:47 Kevin Krieser wrote:
The information IS in the headers, but many email programs don't show the full headers, extracting only the information that many people want (subject, TO:, CC:, etc). So if you aren't aware of it being hidden in the headers, you may not notice it.
I generally look at the footers, when present, to see how to unsubscribe. And many people don't even go that far. CentOS probably should add just a little more to their footers, such as a note that the link provided is also to unsubscribe.
It's easy to find when you know, but then we're not newbies, are we?
Anne _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
I've been on several different lists, on and off, so I am not a newbie here. And even then, unless I remembered, I probably wouldn't think of looking at the normally hidden headers.
Now when there is a footer added that says to unsubscribe, send a message to a specified address, it can be frustrating. But I guess it works, a list manager will probably remove the poster.
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Kevin Krieser k_krieser@sbcglobal.netwrote:
On Jan 28, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Wednesday 28 January 2009 16:20:47 Kevin Krieser wrote:
The information IS in the headers, but many email programs don't show the full headers, extracting only the information that many people want (subject, TO:, CC:, etc). So if you aren't aware of it being hidden in the headers, you may not notice it.
I generally look at the footers, when present, to see how to unsubscribe. And many people don't even go that far. CentOS probably should add just a little more to their footers, such as a note that the link provided is also to unsubscribe.
It's easy to find when you know, but then we're not newbies, are we?
Anne
I've been on several different lists, on and off, so I am not a newbie here. And even then, unless I remembered, I probably wouldn't think of looking at the normally hidden headers.
Now when there is a footer added that says to unsubscribe, send a message to a specified address, it can be frustrating. But I guess it works, a list manager will probably remove the poster. _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Who cares about the headers.... every single message from the list has a footer appended to it with the information about the list. Click on the link and it tells you how to unsubscribe. Not to mention that, but once a month I get an email from the mailing list telling me about my subscription and how to log in and make changes to my subscription.
-matt http://www.sysadminvalley.com http://www.beantownhost.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/mattboston Bill Cosby - "A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice."
On Thursday 29 January 2009 01:43:42 Matt Shields wrote:
Now when there is a footer added that says to unsubscribe, send a message to a specified address, it can be frustrating. But I guess it works, a list manager will probably remove the poster. _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Who cares about the headers.... every single message from the list has a footer appended to it with the information about the list. Click on the link and it tells you how to unsubscribe. Not to mention that, but once a month I get an email from the mailing list telling me about my subscription and how to log in and make changes to my subscription.
Look again, though. The footer has links, but it doesn't say 'Unsubscribe or change options'. I agree that the info is there on the welcome letter, but how many people save it?
This is not just a centos problem - all lists seem to suffer from it. I think just adding that phrase into the footer would help - though again it seems human nature to skip over footers, particularly as we are used to seeing sigs that have no interest to us.
Anne
Anne
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf
Of
Matt Shields Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:44 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] unsubscribe
Who cares about the headers.... every single message from the list has a
footer
appended to it with the information about the list. Click on the link and it
tells you how
to unsubscribe.
If an unsubscribe message sent to the list causes so much hiatus as now, why not make it simple for all involved and just add an unsubscribe link in the footer, as several subscribers have already mentioned, and be rid of all this...
It's not completely obvious that all list-info, incl how to unsub, is available if you follow the link in the footer. At least not for a technology challenged CTO or whatever he/she was. ;-)
Just my opinion...
============== Who cares about the headers.... every single message from the list has a footer appended to it with the information about the list. Click on the link and it tells you how to unsubscribe. Not to mention that, but once a month I get an email from the mailing list telling me about my subscription and how to log in and make changes to my subscription. ==============
(sorry for the dotted lines, but was sent in html and I could not get my post at the bottom without doing it this way)
None of my messages has ever come, as far as I know, with any footer about the list. The only footers I ever see are the ones from the sender. Maybe they are deleted by outlook or something, but they are not in the hidden headers either.
Many get confused as every mailing list is a bit different. Some are hard and some are easy to unsubscribe.
But I never get any footers.
Bob Hoffman wrote:
But I never get any footers.
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
reeely? that was under the message you just sent.
Subject: Re: [CentOS] unsubscribe
Bob Hoffman wrote:
But I never get any footers.
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
reeely? that was under the message you just sent.
Really. I did not add it to my message and my client never shows such a message. The only way I know to change anything is to go to the centos site, click mailing lists, then find the correct link to get to the settings for this mailing list.
Perhaps since I send in text mode it shows up and so many send in html mode?
I do not have footers...would you like pictures?..lol
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf
Of
Bob Hoffman Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:10 PM To: 'CentOS mailing list' Subject: Re: [CentOS] unsubscribe
But I never get any footers. _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
This one has a footer... I use Outlook 2007.
On Jan 28, 2009, at 7:43 PM, Matt Shields wrote:
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Kevin Krieser <k_krieser@sbcglobal.net
wrote:
On Jan 28, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Wednesday 28 January 2009 16:20:47 Kevin Krieser wrote:
The information IS in the headers, but many email programs don't
show
the full headers, extracting only the information that many people want (subject, TO:, CC:, etc). So if you aren't aware of it being hidden in the headers, you may not notice it.
I generally look at the footers, when present, to see how to unsubscribe. And many people don't even go that far. CentOS probably should add just a little more to their footers, such as a note that the link provided is also to unsubscribe.
It's easy to find when you know, but then we're not newbies, are we?
Anne
I've been on several different lists, on and off, so I am not a newbie here. And even then, unless I remembered, I probably wouldn't think of looking at the normally hidden headers.
Now when there is a footer added that says to unsubscribe, send a message to a specified address, it can be frustrating. But I guess it works, a list manager will probably remove the poster. _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Who cares about the headers.... every single message from the list has a footer appended to it with the information about the list. Click on the link and it tells you how to unsubscribe. Not to mention that, but once a month I get an email from the mailing list telling me about my subscription and how to log in and make changes to my subscription.
-matt http://www.sysadminvalley.com http://www.beantownhost.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/mattboston Bill Cosby - "A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice."
Mentioned the headers since some early replies referred the OP to the headers.
Now when there is a footer added that says to unsubscribe, send a message to a specified address, it can be frustrating. But
I guess it
works, a list manager will probably remove the poster.
Who cares about the headers.... every single message from the list has a footer appended to it with the information about the list. Click on the link and it tells you how to unsubscribe.
Just to let you all know I am not crazy.. Unless it is written in the message, I do not receive appended footers.
Here is a pick of the original of this message I am replying too http://www.politicalgateway.com/allimages/untitled.jpg
No footer. Perhaps it is just a setting on the mailing list that I disabled?
No footer. Perhaps it is just a setting on the mailing list that I disabled? X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11
Here's your problem. :)
Microsoft do things their own way and assume that's how everybody likes it. Inevitably, all their users have to conform, because they don't have any other option.
If you're in a corporate environment and can't choose your own software, then I recommend using some kind of webmail client -- but not Hotmail.
Here's your problem. :)
Microsoft do things their own way and assume that's how everybody likes it.
That's funny, I am using OL as well, and I don't have a problem with headers/footers or Microsoft trying to tell me to do anything? In fact I have no problem with any of our MS infrastructure.
Obviously *y*mmv...
On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:51:31 -0700 "Joseph L. Casale" JCasale@activenetwerx.com wrote:
That's funny, I am using OL as well, and I don't have a problem with headers/footers or Microsoft trying to tell me to do anything? In fact I have no problem with any of our MS infrastructure. Obviously *y*mmv...
yes I'm sure. You reminded me of a great quote I heard recently...
"The biggest enemy of freedom is a happy slave."
On Monday 02 February 2009 21:51:31 Joseph L. Casale wrote:
Here's your problem. :)
Microsoft do things their own way and assume that's how everybody likes it.
That's funny, I am using OL as well, and I don't have a problem with headers/footers or Microsoft trying to tell me to do anything? In fact I have no problem with any of our MS infrastructure.
Obviously *y*mmv...
That suggests that there may be a configuration option involved. Could you look around and see if you can find it?
Anne
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf
Of
Spiro Harvey Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:47 PM To: centos@centos.org Subject: Re: [CentOS] unsubscribe
X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11
Here's your problem. :)
Microsoft do things their own way and assume that's how everybody likes it. Inevitably, all their users have to conform, because they don't have any other option.
Might've been a joke from you side, I've used Outlook 11 and now 12 with this list. No problems, I see the footers. It might be a config-issue on the user's side though.
On Wednesday 28 January 2009 13:56:10 cent osserver wrote:
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Ned Slider ned@unixmail.co.uk wrote:
Was that REALLY called for? Couldn't you have simply filed it in /dev/null?
Yes, I should have. I gave into impulse in a weak moment and then REALLY screwed up by not noticing I was replying to the list and not the individual. (Most lists have reply-to set to the individual, not the list)
So it would have been all right if you had insulted him directly, would it? Grow up!
The only good thing is he probably never saw it, as some of us help people off-list with things like this.
Anne
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 08:21:13AM -0500, cent osserver wrote:
Wow - so you are an ICT director?
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Um, That was a bit excessive wasn't it?
Please refrain from posting that to the list.
And be nicer. It works better in the long run.
I can't be too judgmental here. I've fallen victim to the the Flaming syndrome myself, and regretted it.
I believe there is a browser plugin that help gmail user's not respond too quickly...
Maybe that would be a good addition.. :-)
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