On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 3:53 PM Simon Matter <simon.matter at invoca.ch> wrote: > > On 12/10/20 4:19 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: > >> I do > >> want to say that with CentOS Stream, we're committed to developing a > >> stable and world class project that literally produces RHEL. I hope > >> in the future if you decide to revisit your OS choice that you take a > >> moment and see what we're doing here. I think you might find that > >> we're working very hard to avoid the things you're concerned about, > >> because we*need* to avoid those same things in RHEL anyway. > > > > > > I think it might be fair to say that CentOS Stream can't accomplish Red > > Hat's goals if it has no users, and it won't have any users if it isn't > > reliable. The people who are alarmed that CentOS Stream will be > > suddenly unreliable aren't thinking clearly about Red Hat's intent for > > that distribution. > > > > I understand why RedHat came up with the idea of CentOS Stream and it > makes sense for them. BUT, something is missing for many of us and it will > probably greatly reduce the number of users of CentOS Stream and as such, > reduce the positive effects CS could have. The problem is that the stable > part of CentOS Linux is missing in future and may prevent many of us from > using CentOS Stream as well. > > What I could probably live with is: > - Create point releases of CentOS Stream at the same time like the RHEL > releases. > - Feed point releases with updates like RHEL updates. > - Clearly tag CentOS Stream different than RHEL, clX? > - CS can contain changes which are not made in RHEL > - CS kernel disables less modules to enhance support for older hardware > not supported in RHEL anymore. > - CS packages may enable features not enabled and therefore supported7 in > RHEL > - CS may not be absolutely identical to RHEL but as stable as RHEL in > general. > > What you describe is... wait for it... CentOS 8!! Why can't we just keep having that, like we were promised? > That means, folks who run commercial software need to run it on RHEL to > have support and be absolutely sure things work. If they pay for > commercial software they should also pay RedHat! > > Sorry, no. Budgets are tight/non-existant. And it's not just software that's supported by CentOS X.X. Ever call Dell for hardware support, for a failed hard drive? "What operating system are you running? What version?" > Those using only free software can use CentOS point releases where they > need most stability and run CentOS Stream where they can do it and by > doing so help with development of upstream. Most IT people, developers and > admins will most likely be willing to run CentOS Stream and be part of a > fruitful community. > > Looking forward to hear your ideas. > > Simon > > All I want is what we had before it was taken away. That's it. -- *Matt Phelps* *Information Technology Specialist, Systems Administrator* (Computation Facility, Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory) Center for Astrophysics | Harvard & Smithsonian 60 Garden Street | MS 39 | Cambridge, MA 02138 email: mphelps at cfa.harvard.edu cfa.harvard.edu | Facebook <http://cfa.harvard.edu/facebook> | Twitter <http://cfa.harvard.edu/twitter> | YouTube <http://cfa.harvard.edu/youtube> | Newsletter <http://cfa.harvard.edu/newsletter> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/attachments/20201211/6f9531a7/attachment-0005.html>