[CentOS-devel] First round of RHEL programs announced

On Monday, January 25, 2021 1:56 PM, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath at redhat.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 1:03 PM Laurențiu Păncescu <lpancescu at centosproject.org> wrote:
>
>> On 1/25/21 7:29 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
>>> A fair question. I've been in a few discussions related to this
>>> internally and there are no plans to make changes for RHEL8 (IE: us
>>> sending our debranded(ish) code to the centos git instance). I could
>>> imagine scenarios where that gets moved to gitlab. But generally how we
>>> push will remain the duration of RHEL8 - we just won't be building it
>>> into CentOS. Don't take this to mean it's a guarantee or that Red Hat
>>> promised or whatever. I'm just saying that at the moment we've
>>> discussed it, no one is currently advocating for us to stop releasing
>>> RHEL8 code in the way we do, and so we have no plans on changes there at
>>> this time.
>>
>> Excuse me, perhaps I'm reading too much into your words, just for my own
>> understanding: does this mean it's not clear if Red Hat will continue
>> forever to release the sources for RHEL publicly, and perhaps only
>> provide them to their customers, at some point in the future? I'm
>> thinking more from perspective of rebuilds like Alma Linux or Oracle EL
>> - they wouldn't have anything to rebuild by themselves anymore. With the
>> zero-cost RHEL covering the use case of many small companies and
>> hobbyists, I imagine this would be possible.
>
> This is an area where written text falls flat and a conversation would be better but here goes....
>
> For RHEL9 and forward, I suspect we won't be doing a RHEL release, and then releasing that code as we do today because.....
>
> ... the code should already be available via CentOS Stream. To put it another way, the current plan of record is - If you ever find a RHEL binary, and cannot find the corresponding source code in the CentOS Stream gitlab instance, that means we've messed something up along the way because it was one of the explicit goals for CentOS Stream. It might be released in RHEL first with a bit of delay (we're talking hours or a day or two not weeks), like with a 0-day CVE. But generally, it should already be in CentOS Stream well before it's in RHEL.
>
> I hope that's clearer. Worst case, the rebuilders you're talking about will have to get to know our gitlab layouts, but all the code will be there.
>
> For emphasis: There are no plans to stop making RHEL code available to the public at this time. It will just take a different route to get there than it has under RHEL8/CentOS8 and before.
>
> -Mike

That answer sounds fairly complete on that point.

If you feel a conversation would work better for filling in the remaining gaps, would you and/or Bex or Rich ever record a Jitsi Q/A session with select members of the centos-devel mailing list that you feel are acting in good faith? Or is that what the CentOS Dojo is for?

The things I haven't found answers to (if that even matters) is:

When and how can the community expected to be able to start contributing?

Is gitlab just being used as a respository?

Will the project management tools of gitlab be used to highlight the tasks RHEL is focusing on and estimated progress?

Can we file issues through gitlab instead of bugzilla?

Will code for performing the specific CI/CD tests be in gitlab?

Will the communty be able to submit pull requests for additional CI/CD tests or improvements to existing ones?
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