[CentOS-devel] Can CentOS Stream 8 Devel repo be populated

Mon May 17 19:54:57 UTC 2021
Mike McGrath <mmcgrath at redhat.com>

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 2:48 PM Phil Perry <pperry at elrepo.org> wrote:

> On 17/05/2021 20:46, Phil Perry wrote:
> > On 17/05/2021 20:30, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> >> On 5/17/21 1:46 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 1:34 PM Phil Perry <pperry at elrepo.org
> >>> <mailto:pperry at elrepo.org>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>      On 17/05/2021 18:49, Troy Dawson wrote:
> >>>      >
> >>>      >
> >>>      > On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 10:41 AM Phil Perry <pperry at elrepo.org
> >>>      <mailto:pperry at elrepo.org>
> >>>      > <mailto:pperry at elrepo.org <mailto:pperry at elrepo.org>>> wrote:
> >>>      >
> >>>      >     On 17/05/2021 14:32, Troy Dawson wrote:
> >>>      >      >
> >>>      >      >
> >>>      >      > On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 6:22 AM Fabian Arrotin
> >>>      <arrfab at centos.org <mailto:arrfab at centos.org>
> >>>      >     <mailto:arrfab at centos.org <mailto:arrfab at centos.org>>
> >>>      >      > <mailto:arrfab at centos.org <mailto:arrfab at centos.org>
> >>>      <mailto:arrfab at centos.org <mailto:arrfab at centos.org>>>> wrote:
> >>>      >      >
> >>>      >      >     On 17/05/2021 15:10, Troy Dawson wrote:
> >>>      >      >      >
> >>>      >      >      >
> >>>      >      >      > On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 6:47 AM Leon Fauster via
> >>>      CentOS-devel
> >>>      >      >      > <centos-devel at centos.org
> >>>      <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org> <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org
> >>>      <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org>>
> >>>      >     <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org
> >>>      <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org> <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org
> >>>      <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org>>>
> >>>      >      >     <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org
> >>>      <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org>
> >>>      >     <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org
> >>>      <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org>> <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org
> >>>      <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org>
> >>>      >     <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org
> >>>      <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org>>>>>
> >>>      >      >     wrote:
> >>>      >      >      >
> >>>      >      >      >     On 15.05.21 06:51, Troy Dawson wrote:
> >>>      >      >      >     > Back when the CentOS 8 Devel repo[1] was
> >>>      originally
> >>>      >      >     introduced, the
> >>>      >      >      >     > CentOS Stream 8 Devel repo[2] was kept
> empty.
> >>>      >      >      >     > Now that CentOS 8 is going away, and we are
> >>>      expected to
> >>>      >      >     develop on
> >>>      >      >      >     > CentOS Stream 8, could we please get CentOS
> >>>      Stream 8
> >>>      >     Devel
> >>>      >      >     populated
> >>>      >      >      >     > with the same packages it once had.
> >>>      >      >      >     >
> >>>      >      >      >     > I know there is an initiative for all the
> >>>      missing -devel
> >>>      >      >     packages to
> >>>      >      >      >     > appear somewhere at sometime.  But here is
> my
> >>>      problem.
> >>>      >      >      >     > I'm trying to get KDE rebuilt for CentOS
> >>> Stream 8
> >>>      >     due to the
> >>>      >      >      >     updated qt5
> >>>      >      >      >     > that is now in Stream.
> >>>      >      >      >     > plasma-nm, a fairly important piece of KDE,
> >>>      requires
> >>>      >      >      >     > mobile-broadband-provider-info-devel which
> is
> >>>      in the
> >>>      >     Devel
> >>>      >      >     repo.
> >>>      >      >      >     >  From what I see, the fastest way to get
> >>>      >      >      >     > mobile-broadband-provider-info-devel
> >>> somewhere
> >>>      that
> >>>      >     I can
> >>>      >      >     consume
> >>>      >      >      >     it on
> >>>      >      >      >     > Stream is via the Devel repo.
> >>>      >      >      >     > Thus my question.
> >>>      >      >      >     >
> >>>      >      >      >     > Can we get CentOS Stream 8 Devel populated
> >>> with
> >>>      >     whatever is
> >>>      >      >     in the
> >>>      >      >      >     > regular Devel repo.
> >>>      >      >      >     >
> >>>      >      >      >     > Thanks
> >>>      >      >      >     > Troy Dawson
> >>>      >      >      >     >
> >>>      >      >      >     > [1] -
> >>>      >      >
> >>> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>      <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>
> >>>      >     <
> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>      <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>
> >>>      >      >
> >>>       <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>      <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>
> >>>      >     <
> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>      <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>>
> >>>      >      >      >
> >>>      >
> >>>  <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>      <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>
> >>>      >     <
> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>      <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>
> >>>      >      >
> >>>       <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>      <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>
> >>>      >     <
> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>      <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>>>
> >>>      >      >      >     >
> >>>      >      >
> >>>       <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>      <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>
> >>>      >     <
> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>      <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>
> >>>      >      >
> >>>       <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>      <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>
> >>>      >     <
> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>      <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>>
> >>>      >      >      >
> >>>      >
> >>>  <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>      <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>
> >>>      >     <
> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>      <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>
> >>>      >      >
> >>>       <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>      <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>
> >>>      >     <
> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>      <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>>>>
> >>>      >      >      >     > [2] -
> >>>      >      >      >
> >>>      >      >
> >>>      >
> >>>
> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>
> >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>
> >>>      >
> >>>
> >>>  <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>
> >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>
> >>>      >      >
> >>>      >
> >>>
> >>>  <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>
> >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>
> >>>      <
> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>
> >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>>
> >>>      >      >      >
> >>>      >      >
> >>>      >
> >>>
> >>>  <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>
> >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>
> >>>      <
> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>
> >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>
> >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>
> >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>
> >>>      <
> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>
> >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>>
> >>>      >      >      >     >
> >>>      >      >      >
> >>>      >      >
> >>>      >
> >>>
> >>>  <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>
> >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>
> >>>      <
> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>
> >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>
> >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>
> >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>
> >>>      <
> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>
> >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>>
> >>>      >      >      >
> >>>      >      >
> >>>      >
> >>>
> >>>  <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>
> >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>
> >>>      <
> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>
> >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>
> >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>
> >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>
> >>>      <
> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>
> >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
> >>>>>
> >>>      >      >      >     >
> >>>      >      >      >
> >>>      >      >      >     JFI:
> >>>      >      >      >
> >>>      >      >      >     Downloads from koji instance allowed now.
> >>>      >      >      > https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/
> >>>      <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/>
> >>>      >     <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/
> >>>      <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/>>
> >>>      >      >     <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/
> >>>      <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/>
> >>>      >     <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/
> >>>      <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/>>>
> >>>      >      >      >     <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/
> >>>      <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/>
> >>>      >     <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/
> >>>      <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/>>
> >>>      >      >     <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/
> >>>      <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/>
> >>>      >     <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/
> >>>      <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/>>>>
> >>>      >      >      >
> >>>      >      >      >
> >>>      >      >      > True, but that doesn't get them into the EPEL or
> >>>      COPR build
> >>>      >      >     environment.
> >>>      >      >      >
> >>>      >      >      > Troy
> >>>      >      >      >
> >>>      >      >
> >>>      >      >     Hi Troy,
> >>>      >      >
> >>>      >      >     As you're now part of the CentOS Stream team, when
> >>> can we
> >>>      >     expect to see
> >>>      >      >     that Devel repo being populated ? that would help
> >>> for now
> >>>      >     SIGs building
> >>>      >      >     in cbs.centos.org <http://cbs.centos.org>
> >>>      <http://cbs.centos.org <http://cbs.centos.org>>
> >>>      >     <http://cbs.centos.org <http://cbs.centos.org>
> >>>      <http://cbs.centos.org <http://cbs.centos.org>>> (and we have
> >>> also again
> >>>      >      >     other requests for built but
> >>>      >      >     unreleased pkgs in Devel repo, so having a status
> >>> update on
> >>>      >     that one
> >>>      >      >     would be good too)
> >>>      >      >
> >>>      >      >
> >>>      >      > Well played good sir.
> >>>      >      > Unfortunately I only deal with the CentOS Stream 9 stuff,
> >>>      but I will
> >>>      >      > bring it up in the team meeting.
> >>>      >      >
> >>>      >      > I wrote this email on the centos-devel mailing list, as
> >>> an EPEL
> >>>      >     package
> >>>      >      > maintainer, that has a problem.  Because my EPEL work is
> >>>      done in my
> >>>      >      > spare time, and it's a legitimate EPEL packager problem.
> >>>      And I'd
> >>>      >     like
> >>>      >      > the solution to be public, and not behind closed doors.
> >>>      >      >
> >>>      >      > Troy
> >>>      >      >
> >>>      >
> >>>      >     I'm not sure I understand why this is even an issue anymore.
> >>>      Now CentOS
> >>>      >     Stream is upstream of RHEL, surely there are no
> >>> constraints to
> >>>      only
> >>>      >     ship
> >>>      >     what RHEL (downstream) ships? Why wouldn't CentOS Stream
> >>>      simply ship
> >>>      >     everything and if RHEL decides upon a policy to only
> >>>      ship/support a
> >>>      >     certain subset of (-devel) packages, that is a RH/RHEL
> >>>      decision that
> >>>      >     can
> >>>      >     be implemented downstream by removing the bits they don't
> >>> want to
> >>>      >     ship/support and should have zero impact upstream? RH/RHEL
> >>> are
> >>>      free to
> >>>      >     do whatever they want downstream.
> >>>      >
> >>>      >     Or have I completely misunderstood the relationship here?
> >>>      >
> >>>
> >>>      Hi Troy,
> >>>
> >>>      >
> >>>      > Actually, you understood it correctly.
> >>>      >
> >>>      > It seems an email got misplaced.  When it was announced that
> >>> CentOS
> >>>      > Stream 9 koji build system, including the buildroot, was now
> >>>      publically
> >>>      > available, there was also supposed to be a similar announcement
> >>>      > concerning CentOS Stream 8.  For some reason, that announcement
> >>>      failed
> >>>      > to get sent.
> >>>      >
> >>>      > So, you are correct, there currently is a way for the EPEL
> >>>      community (or
> >>>      > COPR, or whoever wants) to get access to the CentOS Stream 8
> >>> build
> >>>      > system and complete  buildroot.  I simply was not aware of it.
> >>>      >
> >>>
> >>>      Except, as you stated earlier in the thread, they are not in the
> >>> CentOS
> >>>      Stream repos, so it is still not possible to easily pull them into
> >>>      build
> >>>      environments.
> >>>
> >>>      I believe your question is valid. Why are these packages being
> >>> excluded
> >>>      from CenOS Stream in the first place? I understand why they are
> >>>      excluded
> >>>      from CentOS Linux 8, as that is a like for like rebuild of RHEL
> >>> 8, and
> >>>      what is not in RHEL will not be in CentOS Linux. But CentOS
> >>> Stream is
> >>>      upstream of RHEL, not downstream, so I do not understand why ANY
> >>> built
> >>>      devel packages are excluded from the CentOS Stream repos. Why
> >>> would you
> >>>      not ship everything you build??? RHEL policy decisions should not
> >>>      affect
> >>>      what happens upstream.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This is mostly because we also don't ship it in RHEL and we don't ship
> >>> it there because we don't want to be on the hook to support it (even
> >>> RHEL has a budget and limited resources).
> >>>
> >>> As far as CentOS Stream, the promise is that if it runs in CentOS
> Stream
> >>> today it should run in the next version of RHEL.  By including content
> >>> in Stream that we don't include in RHEL, suddenly that promise is
> broken
> >>> if someone accidentally uses it assuming it's in RHEL.
> >>>
> >>> I'm not saying there aren't ways to work through these issues, but I
> >>> wanted to give some ideas as to the thought process that got us here.
> >>>
> >>>             -Mike
> >>>
> >>
> >> Mike,
> >>
> >> That is all well and good .. but it is your guys (EPEL and Red Hat SIGs)
> >> that need this Development content to be in CentOS Stream and the CentOS
> >> Community Build System to build things.  (I can build things as this
> >> content is already in my Koji buildroot).
> >>
> >> And it is me, this list, and the CentOS Stream group that keep getting
> >> asked (by EPEL and the RH SIGs) why this open source stuff can not be in
> >> CentOS Linux, CentOS Stream and the CBS.
> >>
> >> Surely we can set up a non RHEL released repo that your guys can use to
> >> build the things that they want.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Johnny Hughes
> >
> >
> > But from what Mike just said, EPEL/SIGs should be building against those
> > missing -devel packages on Stream because anything built on Stream must
> > also run on RHEL?
> >
>
> Sorry, typo - EPEL/SIGs should NOT be building against those missing
> -devel packages...
>
>
I'm always confused by this because the basis of CRB *was* supposed to be
what was required to build EPEL.  I'm not sure if EPEL has grown since we
started or if we just missed the mark with CRB.

              -Mike


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