On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 09:09 -0400, m.roth at 5-cent.us wrote: > The real problem is manitou.net, and their "algorythm". 15 years ago, it > might have been reasonable to track mailhosts, and block all mail coming > from that host. For the last 10 years, at least, it's *wrong*. Even the > best of 'Net providers can't keep up with all the spammers (or don't have > what I would consider reasonable policies in place). With the exception of > a few outlaw sites, mostly, I believe, in eastern Europe or Asia, most > ISPs *try*... but with all the mergers 10 years ago, most ISPs are *huge*. > Roadrunner, that I mentioned, is a US national provider that does cable, > VOIP, and 'Net in *many* cities around the US. I, personally, used them in > Chicago and central Florida. I *think* they're part of Time-Warner. They > are the ISP for millions of people, and tens or hundreds of thousands in > each area, just as my hosting provider, Bluehost, hosts tens (or is it > hundreds?) of *thousands* of domains. Some of those domains are running on > *bleah* Windows (not Linux, as I am), and are clearly infected. > > For manitu.net to decide that *everyone* coming from that mailhost, > regardless of the source domain, is incompetence and hostile to the way > things are for years now. They are doing a *very* bad job, and have > companies convinced that since they've been doing it for years, they > should stay with them. I want the CentOS list maintainer to reconsider. ISP amalgation in the western world is a fact of life. Who do you, and others, suggest as a 'fit for purpose' alternative to manitu.net ? -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU.