[CentOS] RHEL changes

Tue Jan 26 15:21:17 UTC 2021
Johnny Hughes <johnny at centos.org>

On 1/25/21 2:05 PM, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote:
>> Am 25.01.2021 um 17:04 schrieb Johnny Hughes <johnny at centos.org>:
>> On 1/22/21 5:12 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>>> On 1/22/21 9:29 AM, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote:
>>>>> Hence it is as good as dead in my mind when looking into the future, I
>>>>> am looking for future distro of choice.
>>>> A little mentioned choice would be openSUSE, which is direction I am taking.
>>> I do not like system where configuration app can overwrite manualy set
>>> config. I started with ClarkConnect in 2005-2006 and to route public
>>> subnet into my network I had to delete last iptables command then add my
>>> own, but only after config system did it's own iptables commands. I had
>>> to learn iptables before any other Linux commands and although I
>>> mastered it, it is left in unpleasant memory (it took me weeks and help
>>> from rare Linux admins to find a solution).
>>> I did try SUSE around 2000 but it was complicated to do manual changes
>>> (if it was not provided in YAST), so after ClarkConnect I had no desire
>>> to even experiment with YAST.
>> I have no issues with OpenSUSE .. but how is OpenSUSE any better than
>> CentOS Stream?
> openSUSE is honest.
> The CentOS project, RedHat, you, lied to us when you published CentOS 8
> and claiming it would be supported until 2029.  We believed you because of
> the good reputation you had built up with previous CentOS releases.
> We suggested CentOS 8 to our customers.  And we have been badly f***ed 
> the a**.  Sorry for the wording that you may assume, but that is how it is.
>> It is not like we are rolling rawhide packages into CentOS Stream.  They
>> are updating already created Enterprise Packages in current RHEL with
>> Bug Fixes and Security Fixes and a small number of rebases (Enhamcments
>> Fixes).  But the enhancements are not from Rawhide, they are rebases
>> very close to the current releases.
>> Again .. absolutely nothing wrong with using OpenSUSE (or Ubuntu or
>> Debian, etc).  I just do not see the advantage.
> I see one big advantage:  These are honest projects, while you are liars.

I am a lot of things (ask my ex-wife), but a liar is not one of them.  I
could care less if what you use, but name calling is juvenile. So was
the language you used.  This is a professional list.  If you can't
maintain some semblance of professionalism, please unsubscribe.

>> I mean, I get it, some people are very upset with the new way CentOS is
>> being done.  And obviously people get to think what they think.  But
>> when this was announced, it was also announced that RHEL was going to be
>> opened up early in Q1 of 2021 (which has happened and is still happening).
> So where is the option to install a RHEL system at a customer site, like I was
> able with CentOS?
> Really, you (as in the CentOS project) totally screwed it.