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Minutes for CentOS Board of Directors 2020-02-12
by Karsten Wade 11 Mar '20

11 Mar '20

[These are publishing a little late, I got busy and fell behind partially because the agenda/minutes process has multiple steps where blockages occurred. I'll keep working to improve the underlying process to make the production of these agendas and minutes more reliably consistent.] https://blog.centos.org/2020/03/minutes-for-centos-board-of-directors-2020-… On 2020-02-12 the CentOS Board of Directors met and discussed several ongoing efforts across the Project. The opening discussion was around the new work to evolve the project logo and branding identity being conducted in open channels. Overall the Directors really liked the direction the effort is going and were quite pleased with the open nature of the process. What is needed to bring a conclusion and present a final design for the Board’s approval is the completion of the open design discussion and decision process to be conducted in centos-devel. As the Board is working on adding new Directors and improving governance and transparency, there is an open discussion around the possibility of having a face-to-face meeting of the Board in 2020. This ideally would include an additional day of interactions with other project leadership. One idea floated was to conduct this prior to the CentOS Dojo being planned at CERN in October 2020. At the time of this writing, it is unknown if this Dojo will be affected by COVID-19 related or other travel restrictions. On another topic, in addition to the focused resources of the Community Platform Engineering (CPE) team that supports the CentOS Project in technical ways, Karsten gave a brief explanation of how the Community Architects from the Red Hat Open Source Program Office (OSPO) are in support of the project, specifically Rich Bowen on the community side, Brian Exelbierd on the business interaction side, and Karsten Wade on the strategic and visionary side. >From the Brussels Dojo, Karsten gave a report out about how he had a meeting room for one-to-one discussions with community members. These discussions were an invitation to talk about what works and doesn’t work for users and contributors around the project; an open office hours to hear out anything. It also served to help get an idea of how and why people use CentOS as a platform. This work is to help inform the CentOS 2020 open goals discussion now underway. In support of these efforts, the Board came to the following decisions, resolutions, and agreements: 1. Logo redesign 1. AGREED: Board is requesting Tuomas to lead the discussion on centos-devel toward creating the final /branding redesign proposal for the Board to give final approval on. This process should follow an open decision process of inviting participation, hearing out other ideas, and taking and incorporating feedback on the existing design ideas into the final plan. All this can be done over a reasonable time period of four to eight weeks, so that a decision can be reached that has an opportunity to include voices from across the community. 2. Board face-to-face 1. AGREED: Board will watch the travel situation with an eye toward deciding yay/nay on the face-to-face as the June timeframe approaches. 2. ACTION: Board will request RIch Bowen to coordinate with the Board Secretary on plans for adding meetings around the CERN Dojo. 3. Consent items 1. Adopt minutes from 2020-01-08 meeting 2. Noting that Fabian Arrotin has resigned his role as a CentOS Project Director as of October 2019. 4. Rolling (last from 2020-01-08): 1. Any other topics aka What other things do you want on our master initiatives list? 2. Stepping-up our meeting norms 3. Transparency initiatives Present at the meeting: * Ralph Angenendt * Jim Perrin * Mike McLean * Karsten Wade (Secretary) * Johnny Hughes -- Karsten Wade [he/him/his]| Senior Community Architect | @quaid Red Hat Open Source Program Office (OSPO) : @redhatopen https://community.redhat.com | https://next.redhat.com | https://theopensourceway.org gpg: AD0E0C41 | https://red.ht/sig

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Packages dropping out of modules
by Paul Clifford 10 Mar '20

10 Mar '20

Earlier this month this was a report that softhsm was available but not installable in CentOS 8 due to a "No available modular metadata for modular package" error. The solution was to enable the idm:DL1 module, but my understanding is that modular packages shouldn't be visible while their modules are disabled (this seems to be the behaviour in RHEL 8). Looking in http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/AppStream/x86_64/os/Packages/ there are two versions of softhsm in the AppStream repository: * softhsm-2.4.0-2.module_el8.1.0+253+3b90c921.x86_64.rpm * softhsm-2.4.0-2.module_el8.1.0+265+e1e65be4.x86_64.rpm The repository's modules.yaml file only describes one version of the module, idm:DL1:8010020200121181805:4a0acb9a:x86_64, which owns the newer package. When idm:DL1 is enabled this masks the older softhsm version but when it's disabled (the default) the newer package is removed from view, and with no repository metadata to indicate that the older softhsm is part of a module it effectively becomes an ordinary member of the AppStream repository. So "dnf install softhsm" offers two different package versions based on whether or not idm:DL1 is enabled, instead of failing with "Error: Unable to find a match" when the module is disabled. You can see a similar thing with the go-toolset module. It's enabled by default and disabling it should hide all of its packages. Instead, because a second version has been published (see the two versions of go-toolset, golang, etc at the earlier URL), disabling go-toolset makes the previous versions of all the packages appear as ordinary members of the AppStream repository. I found https://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=16808 from around the time of the 8.0 release querying the lack of older version data, and have commented on it, but I wanted to confirm that I haven't misunderstood the expected behaviour. For example, if nodejs:12 receives an update and the earlier package versions drop out into the main AppStream repository it seems that this might cause conflicts for someone installing nodejs from a third party repository, even if they've disabled nodejs:12.

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CPE Weekly: 2020-03-06
by Aoife Moloney 06 Mar '20

06 Mar '20

--- title: CPE Weekly status email tags: CPE Weekly, email --- # CPE Weekly: 2020-03-06 Background: The Community Platform Engineering group is the Red Hat team combining IT and release engineering from Fedora and CentOS. Our goal is to keep core servers and services running and maintained, build releases, and other strategic tasks that need more dedicated time than volunteers can give. For better communication, we will be giving weekly reports to the CentOS and Fedora communities about the general tasks and work being done. Also for better communication between our groups we have created #redhat-cpe on Freenode IRC! Please feel free to catch us there, a mail has landed on both the CentOS and Fedora devel lists with context here. ## Fedora Updates * Fedora Minimal Compose is being worked on currently for F32 beta ### Data Centre Move * Please start to plan for 2-3 week outage of communishift starting 2020-04-12 to allow for the move * Due to the data centre move, we cannot get a new box to run odcs-backend https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/8721 * We are also scoping the work required for 'Minimum Viable Fedora' - here is the link to the mail as a refresher of what to expect, and what not https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/infrastructure@lists.fedorapr… Our move dates are as follows: * Move 1 April 13 to IAD2 (essential hardware) * Move 2 April 13 to RDU-CC (communishift) * Move 3 May 11 to IAD2 (QA equipment) * Move 4 June 1 to IAD2 (anything and everything else) ### AAA Replacement * Sprint 5 will see the team focusing on integration with FASJSON API and 2FA token * We have also decided to postpone testing of the new solution until post data centre move to make sure it is * As always, check out our progress on github here https://github.com/orgs/fedora-infra/projects/6 ### CI/CD * Monitor-Gating: Blocked in staging because F32 isn’t branched off there yet (Koji, Bodhi, PDC, https://pagure.io/releng/issue/9293) * Automatic Release Tags and Changelog: Ongoing Devel-list thread here https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org… * The team have moved to Jitsi video conferencing with interested community members (ngompa, clime, mboddu, mhroncok) about the different approaches to automatic release tags. Result: Approach considering existing EVRs most palatable (over <#commits>.<#builds>). * We now have a more official looking repo: https://pagure.io/Fedora-Infra/rpmautospec * The team also created implementation details and roadmap: https://hackmd.io/2iQUWeLdR1uTSJ6WL2JqBA ### Sustaining Team * Old cloud is now officially retired * Bodhi XSS vulnerability patched * The team are also looking to prepare a Bodhi 5.2 release * Fedora Minimal Compose (Use ODCS to trigger test composes) * The team are also scoping the Mbbox upgrade and Task breakdown https://github.com/fedora-infra/mbbox/projects/1 * Support community members helping with Badges outage * The teams has started a conversation about Infra Ticket prioritization https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/infrastructure@lists.fedorapr… ## Docs ### Misc Updates/Review Requests * Initial f32-updates-testing push is fixed https://github.com/fedora-infra/bodhi/issues/3936 * Fixed perms on f32 ostree to finish updates pushes * Anitya tests are fixed https://github.com/fedora-infra/anitya/commit/8fe224dbc6b8071f5c5e6f11abe15… * Failing tests in the-new-hotness being resolved https://github.com/fedora-infra/the-new-hotness/pull/273 * Please review Packit integration in the-new-hotness https://github.com/packit-service/packit/issues/689 * Please review KeepassXC flatpak issue https://pagure.io/flatpak-module-tools/issue/6 * Please review Jms-messaging-plugin reviews https://github.com/jenkinsci/jms-messaging-plugin/pull/162 ## CentOS Updates ### CentOS * Ppc64le kickstarter added for CentOS 8 * This will still need to be tested and added in production * The infrastructure is stable overall though! ### CentOS Stream * We are now working on the sync-to-git process * Tycho module was successfully added to Stream in development! * We are also getting closer to having a contributor workflow model available for later this year - watch this space! * We are also working with upstream to generate reports for Stream too As always, feedback is welcome, and we will continue to look at ways to improve the delivery and readability of this weekly report. Have a great weekend! Aoife Source: https://hackmd.io/8iV7PilARSG68Tqv8CzKOQ -- Aoife Moloney Product Owner Community Platform Engineering Team Red Hat EMEA Communications House Cork Road Waterford

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Update: CentOS Dojo at Facebook postponed
by Rich Bowen 05 Mar '20

05 Mar '20

Due to the change in the status of Red Hat Summit (https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/moving-red-hat-summit-2020-virtual-experience) we have made the decision to postpone the CentOS Dojo at Facebook to a later date. Many of our potential speakers, as well as many of our attendees, had travel plans that were dependent on attendance at Red Hat Summit, and without that event happening they are no longer able to travel. If you have already registered for the event, we encourage you to stay registered, so that we have an easy way to contact you about event updates through Eventbrite. We do still plan to hold an event at Facebook, but, due to the current corona virus situation, we are holding off on making any firm plans until the danger has passed. We thank you for your patience and understanding, and hope to see you when we reschedule. -- Rich Bowen - rbowen(a)redhat.com @CentOSProject // @rbowen 859 351 9166

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Fwd: [EPEL-devel] gnu-free-fonts-20120503-18.el8.0.1 still not tagged into dist-c8-compose
by Troy Dawson 05 Mar '20

05 Mar '20

Sending this to the correct mailing list. ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Mattias Ellert <mattias.ellert(a)physics.uu.se> Date: Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 11:17 PM Subject: [EPEL-devel] gnu-free-fonts-20120503-18.el8.0.1 still not tagged into dist-c8-compose To: <epel-devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Hi. I was asked to repost a thread from the CentOS forum on this mailing list: Sorry for starting a new thread. But there has not been any activity on the old thread for a month (2020-02-05) except for my request for a status update a week ago (2020-02-26) for which there was no reply. Can someone please tag the update so that it can be installed by users. The packages available to users are still broken, even though the update was built almost two month ago (2020-01-07). For details please see the previous threads and bug reports: https://forums.centos.org/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=73346 https://forums.centos.org/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=72682 https://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=16759 https://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=16523 The bug was first reported 2019-10-03 and the fixed packages were built 2020-01-07 but are not yet available for installation/update and the bug still affects users. And before someone replies "should be fixed in RHEL first" before reading the references above - this is a CentOS only bug that never existed in RHEL. Mattias _______________________________________________ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraprojec…

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Agenda Board of Directors meeting 2012-02-12
by Karsten Wade 04 Mar '20

04 Mar '20

== agenda 2020-02-12 From: https://blog.centos.org/2020/02/agenda-for-centos-board-of-directors-meetin… 1. Do Directors have any questions or concerns about the process being followed to update the CentOS Project logo? Full story in this blog post by Tuomas Kuosmanen: https://blog.centos.org/2020/01/updating-the-centos-logo-and-visual-style/ 1. Specific design concerns should be handled on centos-devel or in the design repo discussion. 2. Having a face-to-face Board and/or leadership meeting in or near Paris in Summer 2020. What month might be good for Directors? 3. Directors and other Project leaders are invited and encouraged to collaborate with the now four community architects from Red Hat working in/around the CentOS Project: Rich Bowen, Brian Exelbierd, Tuomas Kuosmanen, and Karsten Wade. 4. Report out from Karsten on the Board interview/working session room at the Brussels CentOS Dojo. 5. Consent items: 1. Adopt minutes from 2020-01-08 meeting 2. Noting that Fabian Arrotin has resigned his role as a CentOS Project Director as of October 2019. 6. Rolling (last from 2020-01-08): 1. Any other topics aka What other things do you want on our master initiatives list? 2. Stepping-up our meeting norms 3. Transparency initiatives == notes/thoughts Hi all, travel and the awesome CentOS Dojo in Brussels caught me a few days behind on finishing the agenda for this meeting. Honestly, my processes are still evolving over how late to bring in items, keep adding until the last hours, and/or when to call a cut-off and publish. You can read Rich's report of the Dojo here: https://blog.centos.org/2020/02/event-report-centos-dojo-brussels-jan-31-20… Video from Dojo presentations has begun to be available in our YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-IoMrffK5xG1UI-skkTlcA -- Karsten Wade [he/him/his]| Senior Community Architect | @quaid Red Hat Open Source Program Office (OSPO) : @redhatopen https://community.redhat.com | https://next.redhat.com | https://theopensourceway.org gpg: AD0E0C41 | https://red.ht/sig

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Re: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 8 docker images
by Brian Stinson 28 Feb '20

28 Feb '20

On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, at 13:37, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote: > Hello Brian, > > On 9/27/19 3:29 PM, brian(a)bstinson.com (Brian Stinson) wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 26, 2019, at 22:30, Lance Albertson wrote: > >> When can we expect docker images with CentOS 8? I see there's already an issue [1] open for it. Is there anything we can do to help make it happen? > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> [1] https://github.com/CentOS/sig-cloud-instance-images/issues/151 > >> > >> -- > >> Lance Albertson > > > > Here's what we're working through: > > > > We have cloud and container images built, but we currently aren't happy with the base image size produced by our tooling. > > > > Both cloud and container images are in the QA process and we'll get them out as soon as they're ready. > > Any news on this? > > Thanks, > > Phil. `podman pull centos:8` should get you the container images. Cloud images are something we're working through targeting the upcoming Stream 8 and Linux 8.1.1911 releases. --Brian

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CPE Weekly: 2020-02-28
by Aoife Moloney 28 Feb '20

28 Feb '20

--- title: CPE Weekly status email tags: CPE Weekly, email --- # CPE Weekly: 2020-02-28 Background: The Community Platform Engineering group is the Red Hat team combining IT and release engineering from Fedora and CentOS. Our goal is to keep core servers and services running and maintained, build releases, and other strategic tasks that need more dedicated time than volunteers can give. For better communication, we will be giving weekly reports to the CentOS and Fedora communities about the general tasks and work being done. Also for better communication between our groups we have created #redhat-cpe on Freenode IRC! Please feel free to catch us there, a mail has landed on both the CentOS and Fedora devel lists with context here. ## CentOS Updates ### CentOS * 5 updates for el8 * 3 updates for el7 * EPEL7 container image on quay.io for python-tox * Exploring fedora-infra jobs that can be containerized ### CentOS Stream * Composes are now automated * CentOS QA are now consuming compose in the test suite and running against CentOS Linux and Stream! * Building the contributor workflow is still ongoing and we will keep you updated when we make some progress on this ## Fedora Updates * F32 Beta Freeze now on ### Data Centre Move * Old OpenStack instance has now been switched off. * The team are planning the shipping logistics of the equipment across country with Red Hat - measurements, weights, insurance amounts - fun stuff! :) * No changes to our expected dates as per our last posting, but if there are we will make sure to let you know asap. ### AAA Replacement Current functionalities developed to date: * User functionality to join groups * Uhange email address and password * Disable account function * Database access function * We are also currently mapping solution on how best to have users move from the current FAS to the new FAS (potential name incoming!). * The team also came to the end of developing our wireframes and mapping our user experience flow. * Unit tests were carried out regarding password controller and the current codebase. Patrick Uiterijk and Christian Heimes still continue to be a huge help to the team in this project so thank you both sincerely! For our full blog post, check out Ben Cottons weekly For more information regarding outstanding issues, please see here. To view our current scrum board, please see here. ### CI/CD * The team have made good progress on getting monitor-gating to run in staging * This is running completely now and while it fails in some steps but not because of itself, means it is already providing us valuable information :) * The team have sent an email to the devel list presenting our ideas and potential proposal for the changelog and release fields proof of concept - check it out here: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org… ### Sustaining Team * Releng and Infra Freeze for Fedora 32 Beta is now, so if you need changes have them reviewed. * FMN is the main blocking point for the retirement of fedmsg, it is also running on an eol Fedora (28) and the team are working on replacing it. Check out their public thread here: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org… ## Docs ### Misc Updates * Some packaging work to get pagure's dependencies added and built in EPEL8 (remaining: pygit2 and celery) were done this week * boot.fedoraproject.org and keys.fpo to wiki page has been retired * koji is being set up to have rhscl and rhdevtools for EPEL-7 * infra 8664 - newer kernel on aarch64-test machines. * infra 8369 - people css and html broken so a patch has been applied from new contributor and pushed out * Investigations into why fedora 32 branched compose was stuck & it was ostree signing. https://pagure.io/robosignatory/issue/44 https://pagure.io/pungi/issue/1350 * Broken epel8-testing update push was fixed and is now resumed * Rawhide compose failure was investigated https://pagure.io/releng/failed-composes/issue/1023 Was ceph. Filed https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1805422 untagged it and refired compose. * Vagrant environment for mbbox was worked on https://github.com/fedora-infra/mbbox/pull/1 * Mbbox was moved to fedora-infra https://github.com/fedora-infra/mbbox * Jms-messaging-plugin PRs merged https://github.com/jenkinsci/jms-messaging-plugin/pull/169 https://github.com/jenkinsci/jms-messaging-plugin/pull/168 * Alternative “holistic heuristic” algorithm for computing releases was implemented https://pagure.io/Fedora-Infra/generate_changelog/pull-request/3 Common Python package, modules and misc cleanup https://pagure.io/Fedora-Infra/generate_changelog/pull-request/4 * Update and complete README was worked on https://pagure.io/Fedora-Infra/generate_changelog/pull-request/5 As always, feedback is welcome, and we will continue to look at ways to improve the delivery and readability of this weekly report. Have a great weekend! Aoife Source: https://hackmd.io/8iV7PilARSG68Tqv8CzKOQ -- Aoife Moloney Product Owner Community Platform Engineering Team Red Hat EMEA Communications House Cork Road Waterford

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CBS - CentOS 8 buildroots are now available
by Thomas Oulevey 28 Feb '20

28 Feb '20

Dear CentOS community, After 2 weeks of testing, with the infrastructure team and selected SIGs, C8 buildroots are now available in https://cbs.centos.org If you would like to request a tag please use the "Buildsys" project at: https://bugs.centos.org * During this week I'll review old requests/tickets, but please ping me on IRC if you see no activity. * The next steps ordered by priority: - Tackle the missing -devel packages from C8 that blocks builds for SIGs - Make C8 Stream buildroots available. - distgit integration with koji. - evaluate alternative to mash (koji dist-repo) and/or improve current scripts [1]. - improve the signing process. - evaluate C8 as builder nodes. Thank you for your patience and feedback during the past months. -- Thomas 'alphacc' Oulevey on behalf of the Infrastructure Team. [1]: https://git.centos.org/centos/cbs-tools

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Unshipped -devel packages in CentOS Linux
by Brian Stinson 28 Feb '20

28 Feb '20

Hi Folks, We're gearing up to build the next minor release of CentOS Linux 8 so I thought now would be a good time to revisit the conversation we've been having about what to do with unshipped -devel packages. Just a reminder on a few guiding principles: - The BaseOS, AppStream, and PowerTools repos in CentOS Linux are designed and composed to match Upstream as closely as possible, both in content and behavior - Unshipped devel packages have no defined maintenance lifecycle in Upstream, and especially not in CentOS - We know that some of these devel packages are essential to build applications that the CentOS (and probably EPEL) communities care about. The problems we need to solve if we decide to ship these packages somewhere in a CentOS artifact: - Communicate that these packages are provided as-is and are not meant for runtime dependencies - Provide the packages in a form that is consumable for individuals and the EPEL community I'd like to propose that we create a separate repository, disabled by default that is composed of the -devel packages that we care about, bundled in a module. The name of this repository and the module is up for discussion, but I would like the naming to help with the communication that these are not for general consumption. I'd also like to discuss how we populate this repo/module. It would be easiest to just dump every unshipped package in and move on, but that doesn't help us track which of these packages are truly important outside of building the distro. Shipping *everything* also represents a larger content set to manage if lifecycle issues come up in the future. An alternative would be to store this definition in git (we'll need to do that anyways), and allow folks to make pull requests to include new content, shipping this as a separate repo would let us spin updates on demand. Looking forward to the discussion! -- Brian Stinson CentOS Infra Team

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