On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 8:02 AM Phil Perry pperry@elrepo.org wrote:
On 10/12/2020 12:39, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 7:20 AM Josh Boyer <jwboyer@redhat.com mailto:jwboyer@redhat.com> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 11:40 AM Ljubomir Ljubojevic <centos@plnet.rs <mailto:centos@plnet.rs>> wrote: > > On 12/9/20 4:25 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 7:16 AM Phil Perry <pperry@elrepo.org <mailto:pperry@elrepo.org> > > <mailto:pperry@elrepo.org <mailto:pperry@elrepo.org>>> wrote: > > > > On 09/12/2020 15:08, Brendan Conoboy wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 6:59 AM Ljubomir Ljubojevic > > <centos@plnet.rs <mailto:centos@plnet.rs> <mailto:centos@plnet.rs <mailto:centos@plnet.rs>> > > > <mailto:centos@plnet.rs <mailto:centos@plnet.rs> <mailto:centos@plnet.rs <mailto:centos@plnet.rs>>>> wrote: > > > > > > So when you remove binary compatibility, why wouldanyone
> > bother with > > > CentOS/RHEL unless they want a job in a company that pays for RHEL > > > support? > > > > > > What sort of binaries are you concerned about being incompatible? > > > > Any kernel device drivers, for a start. Kind of critical if your > > SAS/RAID device wont boot, or your network device doesn't come up, or > > your GUI doesn't start because your display drivers aren't compatible > > anymore. Just minor things like that maybe? > > > > > > OK, so out-of-tree drivers. If those keep on working does that make > > CentOS Stream viable for your use? > > The problem we CentOS users have with "RHEL Stream" is "IF" it works. I > do not want to think about "IF". RHEL Stream is meant toconstantly,
> daily get packages and patches that are not yet tested, to BE tested on This is actually not the case. Today, our RHEL development model requires package updates to undergo testing before they are included in the distribution, even internally. CentOS Stream will continue this trend as we upstream many of our RHEL CI workflows to Stream itself. > users. From RHEL Stream FAQ: "CentOS Stream is a distributionthat
> community members can use to take advantage of a stable ABI/APIfor
> development and testing," DEVELOPMENT AND TESTING. It would be disingenuous to say Stream won't have bugs. All software development has bugs. However, the "development and testing" part actually extends to the development and testing of the software *you* are developing. Stream exists as a base for you to do your own development and testing.*WE* aren't doing development and testing! We're running systems that are trying to get work done. The whole POINT of CentOS was a recompile of the Open Source parts of RHEL. A stable *Enterprise* level operating system.
Do you people not understand that??
Matthew,
To be fair, this is the CentOS Devel list. Perhaps your comments would be better placed or more suited to the main CentOS mailing list, but this list exists specifically to discuss the development of CentOS. If you are not active in that, or do not want to participate, that's fine but stick to the users list which would be the correct list for you.
Thanks
Fair point, although there has been a lot of cross-posting with centos@centos.org on this thread.
> I do not have time to mess with "might work, might not" testing distro, > otherwise I would play on the sand with Fedora. RHEL clone is best > available option and in return for me using code prepared for RHEL I was > telling anyone who would listen how CentOS is great, for me better then > Debian/Ubuntu or other distro's. CentOS Facebook group has more members > then Fedora FB group, partially due to me posting ton of resource links > and how-to's and helping anyone who asked for help even if I had to look > for answer my self. > I do NOT have FAITH that Stream will be production ready, and I do not > have free time to experiment or check if it will work or not when I run > update, and that is only thing that matters. No amount of "do not worry" > will change my mind. As soon as it is crystal clear (I still hope) that > "CentOS Linux" is dead, I will stop advocating for CentOS,actually I
> will start advocating AGAINST CentOS and look for alternatives, either > other clones or Debian. > > I will not respond to any more e-mails or tweets about this topic, there > is nothing more to be said except R.I.P CentOS :-( I understand if you don't want to continue the conversation. I do want to say that with CentOS Stream, we're committed to developing a stable and world class project that literally produces RHEL. I hope in the future if you decide to revisit your OS choice that you take a moment and see what we're doing here. I think you might find that we're working very hard to avoid the things you're concerned about, because we *need* to avoid those same things in RHEL anyway. josh _______________________________________________ CentOS-devel mailing list CentOS-devel@centos.org <mailto:CentOS-devel@centos.org> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel <https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel>--
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