On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 3:53 PM Simon Matter simon.matter@invoca.ch wrote:
On 12/10/20 4:19 AM, Josh Boyer wrote:
I do want to say that with CentOS Stream, we're committed to developing a stable and world class project that literally produces RHEL. I hope in the future if you decide to revisit your OS choice that you take a moment and see what we're doing here. I think you might find that we're working very hard to avoid the things you're concerned about, because we*need* to avoid those same things in RHEL anyway.
I think it might be fair to say that CentOS Stream can't accomplish Red Hat's goals if it has no users, and it won't have any users if it isn't reliable. The people who are alarmed that CentOS Stream will be suddenly unreliable aren't thinking clearly about Red Hat's intent for that distribution.
I understand why RedHat came up with the idea of CentOS Stream and it makes sense for them. BUT, something is missing for many of us and it will probably greatly reduce the number of users of CentOS Stream and as such, reduce the positive effects CS could have. The problem is that the stable part of CentOS Linux is missing in future and may prevent many of us from using CentOS Stream as well.
What I could probably live with is:
- Create point releases of CentOS Stream at the same time like the RHEL
releases.
- Feed point releases with updates like RHEL updates.
- Clearly tag CentOS Stream different than RHEL, clX?
- CS can contain changes which are not made in RHEL
- CS kernel disables less modules to enhance support for older hardware
not supported in RHEL anymore.
- CS packages may enable features not enabled and therefore supported7 in
RHEL
- CS may not be absolutely identical to RHEL but as stable as RHEL in
general.
What you describe is... wait for it... CentOS 8!!
Why can't we just keep having that, like we were promised?
That means, folks who run commercial software need to run it on RHEL to have support and be absolutely sure things work. If they pay for commercial software they should also pay RedHat!
Sorry, no. Budgets are tight/non-existant. And it's not just software that's supported by CentOS X.X. Ever call Dell for hardware support, for a failed hard drive? "What operating system are you running? What version?"
Those using only free software can use CentOS point releases where they need most stability and run CentOS Stream where they can do it and by doing so help with development of upstream. Most IT people, developers and admins will most likely be willing to run CentOS Stream and be part of a fruitful community.
Looking forward to hear your ideas.
Simon
All I want is what we had before it was taken away. That's it.