Tbh it’s nothing technical at all.
For some decades concomitantly and continuously, I’ve run OpenBSD -current, Kali and Fedora Rawhide so it’s not that I care if it’s a point release or CR distro. I know it’s different but I ran the CentOS CR repo when it was available.
It was more the happiness at the point that with RH realising that most of their bug reports were coming from CentOS which was had been kept completely at arms length at that point was finally rewarded with bringing the project in house and the amazing team at that point being given recompense and recognition with positions by RH for all the work they did and carried on doing as the same project with the same outputs. Being within the club seemed to reduce the friction experienced before.
I miss the days when I knew I was running the community version of RHEL instead of what it is now which isn’t a redhat offer and is neither redhat or fedora. CentOS has become something else with less risk than fedora but with more risk (tiny bit) than RHEL It is no longer the FOSS concept that it was and it feels like we have lost ground.
CentOS is still my distribution of choice for servers that just have to work like my authoritative name servers for my /24 and my /48 of PI space, rsyslog etc but I’d rather be running 9 rather than Stream 9 but I haven’t got that choice anymore which was what drew me to move from Valhalla to 3 all those years ago.
On 30 Jun 2024, at 17:28, Stephen Smoogen ssmoogen@redhat.com wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jun 2024 at 23:59, Gordon Messmer gordon.messmer@gmail.com wrote:
On 2024-06-29 6:14 AM, Mike Simpson wrote:
all the joy of the time that the *amazing* centos team was folded into RedHat has now been poured away
I don't really understand this sentiment. With Stream, the CentOS distribution is much more open, better supported, and more secure than the old distribution was. Red Hat made significant improvements to the process, which improved the software delivered by the project. Stream is a better example of what an open source project should be, and how they should work. And the Integration SIG is one of the most exciting developments I've seen in Linux distributions in a long time.
As an engineer, Stream is a source of great joy!
Because people find joy and reasons to be in a community for different and sometimes incompatible things. New Coke was a drinkable soda, but it wasn't the same as 'Coca-Cola' and so people who found joy in Old Coke didn't move easily to 'New Coke'.. and the same happened later when they brought back 'Classic Coke', people who liked New Coke didn't want to drink Classic. Even decades later, this still comes up as a 'community' split with people bringing it up whenever an office surveyed 'what drinks do we need to order for the coolers'.
Similar things happen when car models change slightly, etc. The vehicle may be still able to do all the things the old one did, but many people will report being 'put off' on those changes. And the changes may bring in new people who are better served by the newer models. [And the same conversations happen where each camp can't understand why everyone isn't feeling the same way they do.]
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