Am 05.12.21 um 01:26 schrieb Phil Perry:
On 04/12/2021 23:30, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 3:50 PM Neal Gompa ngompa13@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 3:21 PM Phil Perry pperry@elrepo.org wrote:
On 04/12/2021 17:16, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 11:58 AM Phil Perry pperry@elrepo.org wrote:
On 23/11/2021 12:24, Alex Iribarren wrote: > Hi all, > > While trying to run the CentOS functional tests on CS9[*], I noticed > that several fail because of branding issues. For example, > p_httpd/httpd_centos_brand_server_tokens.sh expects the server > string to > match `Apache.*\ (CentOS)`, when in fact the server line is: > > Server: Apache/2.4.51 (Red Hat Enterprise Linux 9) OpenSSL/3.0.0 > > This got me thinking about how de-branding is supposed to work in > CS9. I > would guess the usual process would have to be reversed now, > where Red > Hat would remove the CentOS brand from CS9 packages and add the > Red Hat > brand for the RHEL 9.0 builds, but clearly this isn't happening > yet. I > guess this is an oversight? > > Cheers, > Alex > > [*] I know, I know, but I have to run *something* before you guys > release your own functional test suite for CS9!
In the absence of anyone from the project commenting, I'm wondering how RHEL branding could have possibly got into a CentOS Stream release in the first place?
The pictorial representation we are given is clear:
https://blog.centos.org/2021/12/introducing-centos-stream-9/
CentOS Stream is forked from Fedora Rawhide and exists upstream of any RHEL release so it's hard to envisage how this could possibly have happened. Surely now it is a case of RH removing CentOS branding for their RHEL release if Stream is truly the upstream development of RHEL?
Wouldn't it be simpler to just call it RHEL Stream and do away with the extra layer of obfuscation and confusion, as that's more what it looks like (if it walks like a duck...)
That would be a significant deviation of Red Hat's own brand strategy. *All* of Red Hat's products have a "project brand" and a "product brand".
This has two major advantages:
- It enshrines branding as an aspect of differentiation for the Red
Hat offering 2. It makes it easy for third parties to make their own branded product offerings based on the project and strengthen the ecosystem.
In this particular case with Apache HTTPD, it's happening because CentOS Stream uses the "Red Hat Enterprise Linux" BZ support product, and that's how it gets set at build-time.
See here: https://gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream/rpms/httpd/-/blob/9d1c57410b67b48856...
It's an easy fix, I'll have it proposed momentarily.
Hi Neal,
Thanks for the explanation, most helpful. However, again I'm confused as the spec file referenced above has two references in the changelog to having been rebuilt for RHEL 9 Beta. Again, how can anything that has happened downstream in a RHEL 9 Beta end up back in the upstream Stream product? The fact the two changelog entries are 2 months apart suggest there is little separation between the RHEL 9 Beta and CentOS Stream 9.
RHEL 9 Beta was built from CentOS Stream 9. We had a soft opening back in April, and RHEL 9 work has been flowing through CentOS Stream 9. It takes a while to create any RHEL release, Beta or otherwise, so having 2 commits months apart reference 9 Beta isn't uncommon.
Clearly the pictorial representation presented of the relationship between Stream and RHEL is not an accurate one.
It is accurate. Can you help me understand what is confusing? It shows CentOS Stream 9 being a continuously delivered OS, with RHEL releases being derived from it. In this case, work went into CentOS 9 Stream and a while later it showed up in 9 Beta.
The pictorial representation shows RHEL 9 Beta (or any RHEL release for that matter) being forks off the continuously delivered CentOS Stream. There is no feedback loop shown whereby once forked, anything that happens in RHEL 9 Beta can end up back in Stream, as Stream has moved on since then.
As you say, this fork happened back in April. The httpd SPEC file shows a rebuild for RHEL 9 Beta on April 16th, and again on June 16th. How can the rebuild for RHEL 9 Beta on Jun 16th (or at least the changelog entry) that occurred 2 months _after_ the fork end up back in Stream? Their paths diverged (at least) 2 months previously, never to meet again according to the pictorial representation?
Maybe it's just semantics, or a naming thing, but there are irresolvable inconsistencies between the pictorial representation presented and the SPEC file changelog entries.
I find this illustration interesting (starting at second 1355)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oktwEpjO38M&t=1355s
-- Leon