On 5/6/20 8:31 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
I must lead with this: It is with great trepidation that I even write this message, because I have no desire to burn bridges. I currently enjoy a cordial working relationship with everyone on the board, and, without exception, have great respect for each of them personally. But it is my job to point out that the board's method of engaging with the community isn't working.
On 5/6/20 4:28 AM, john tatt via CentOS-devel wrote:
At the first place, what kind of "issue" do you speak of ?
- The website redesign
- The logo design process (we finally got a response from one
individual board member, but as yet no *decision* from the board) 3) The open question as to what the board will do about the stated policy that Red Hat must hold a majority of seats, given that one board member has announced that he is leaving Red Hat.
There are others, but those are the three most recent, and the most pressing.
Mostly, though, in this email, I do not seek to address those issues. I seek to find out the correct way that the board wishes for us to engage with them.
At the second place you tell you are not the only one to claim for replies. Where are the others ? Whey do they not countersign ?
Two reasons.
One, it's literally my job. I am paid, full time, to be the community manager. That means that it's my job to represent the community's interests, both externally (ie, to the public), internally (ie, to the board and community), and to our major financial partner, Red Hat.
Two, because the people in question have expressed frustration enough times that they have quit trying. To me, this is a tragedy.
And at the third place I should say that tou can't ignore who are the people in charge. So why not just send a mail to them instead of using this public list ?
I am most definitely not ignoring the people in charge. They have told me that this is the correct place to raise issues to their attention. But it's not working.
On the one hand, I *do* send them email directly. Frequently. And I have weekly meetings with several of them. But that is not how open source projects work. Open source projects are, by name and philosophy, open. Privately emailing board members is not transparent.
Secondly, most of you, the community, don't have the level of access that I have. It's not fair to assume that any one of the community can, or should, email or call our board members directly. We need a process by which the community can raise issues, publicly, transparently, and expect that we will be heard.
Do you hear me Fabian and others ?
Fabian is not a board member. If, by "others", you me the other board members, then I ask the same question: Do you hear me?
Please understand that I have no anger or animosity here. Just frustration, and a desire to improve *our* project's communication and processes. I am available, and at your disposal, for any way in which I can be part of that improvement.
Rich,
We have 4 people who are working on 'CentOS Linux' .. and 'CentOS Stream'.
We just had Red Hat Summit (the CentOS team had major deliverables for that) and 2 major point releases drop (RHEL 7.8 and 8.2 releases) .. as well as creating the entire CentOS Stream process.
There is really just not a lot of cycles right now for logos or website redesign talk.
Thanks, Johnny Hughes