On Thu, 11 May 2023 at 09:59, Josh Boyer jwboyer@redhat.com wrote:
On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 9:42 AM Trevor Hemsley trevor.hemsley@ntlworld.com wrote:
On 11/05/2023 13:35, Josh Boyer wrote:
Fedora has a Discourse instance and we've had some CentOS topics there. The CentOS lists are pretty low-traffic. Perhaps we can just migrate to Discourse and not have to run our own mailman instances and servers?
Discourse is [expleteive deleted] horrible. Please don't.
Can you describe what value the existing mailing list has for you and why Discourse wouldn't provide that?
The value I have is mainly the following: 1. I have existing filters which work and tools to read my email in ways which work for me. 2. I have found the discourse2email to be 'flaky' several times in the past with my replies never getting to the site and the message output in a form which hurts my head in fonts/layout. 3. I have tried to use the discourse website for several years and find that its way of working isn't how my brain deals with communication. Like most forums, I get frustrated enough that I find my communication ability turns angry. This isn't unique as many people who hate mailing lists report the same reaction.. their brains don't process the information that way and react poorly to continual usage.
That said, the number of emails on CentOS have dropped greatly, and I know that the amount of work needed to make mailman3 work is not anywhere as simple as mailman2 was. I don't think running a sole-purpose mailing list server is going to make sense for the amount of work now needed.
so I think the possible options are:
Option 1: move to EL-8 mailman2 til next June.. then punt to 2,3,4 Option 2: volunteer and do the work to make mailman3 work (this needs packaging, webwork, database work, importing of old archives, resubscribing n people, etc). Option 2b: volunteer and use a different supportable mailing list software (this needs...) Option 3: discontinue email lists and have Fedora discourse run threads. Option 4: move the mailing lists to another organization and let them manage the email (this needs ...)
I'm looking at how frequently most users post and it seems to be relatively low volume. Maybe just setting Discourse options to email you would cover the read-only nature most people seem to have with the lists?
josh
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