Hey Stephen,
On 9/18/19 11:55 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
Fedora builds are allowed by a happy accident that the number of people who download packages are normally less than that the various apps that make up koji can handle. We in Fedora have had to limit or turn off access at times when people do download too much. The issue is that CentOS usage space is 100x that of Fedora, and even if 0.1% of CentOS users wanted to download directly from koji, that would be 100x what Fedora koji sees from outside users. If we in Fedora saw that kind of size jump we would have to severely limit access to the packages also to only approved packagers or some other method.
My biggest point is this is a solvable problem and it shouldn't be used as a stonewall to prevent these builds from being opened in a pre-release way (AKA a beta) so advanced users can scratch whatever itch they need on their end. You don't have to serve them from Koji, you can shove somewhere that can handle the load.
I understand your reasoning for the rest of the email, and it is asking for CentOS to be a different project than it is.
I am not asking CentOS to be Fedora. I am pointing out that there is a small subset of people in control of CentOS that have access huge user base that can and will help out with the release process. When you say I am asking for "CentOS to be a different project that it is" does that mean the CentOS project closed to it's own community members helping out? Is it really a small subset of developers that do not want to give any kind of a control or access until they deem it OK?
I don't believe that is really the case, but I have lurked on this mailing list for many years and the overall vibe around release time always feels very anti-community.
Again, I will put my money where my mouth is... How can I help? Where do I start? There are others in this thread that are also asking how they can help.
Joe