One of the members on CentOS Facebook page says that he was able to download ISO file from a public official mirror. Maybe someone could check this claim and plug the leak?
Ljubomir
On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 02:19:29AM +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
One of the members on CentOS Facebook page says that he was able to download ISO file from a public official mirror. Maybe someone could check this claim and plug the leak?
Rough checking shows at least 3 mirrors leaking, which is typical. I've contacted one mirror admin that promptly took his mirror off-line to address it (at least it is no longer responding).
There is nothing that can be done to "plug" leaks except
1) contact the admins and have them fix it 2) remove the mirrors from the mirrorlist and remove their acls.
Frankly, not that my vote counts, I'm all for #2. The issue can be revisited a few days after release once everything is calm again.
John
"leaks"
This is just the silliest thing I have ever heard. This happens all the time, even with Windows. I see no cause for alarm, especially since this is FOSS. What's the problem?
~Shawn
On 7/8/11, John R. Dennison jrd@gerdesas.com wrote:
On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 02:19:29AM +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
One of the members on CentOS Facebook page says that he was able to download ISO file from a public official mirror. Maybe someone could check this claim and plug the leak?
Rough checking shows at least 3 mirrors leaking, which is typical. I've contacted one mirror admin that promptly took his mirror off-line to address it (at least it is no longer responding).
There is nothing that can be done to "plug" leaks except
- contact the admins and have them fix it
- remove the mirrors from the mirrorlist and remove their acls.
Frankly, not that my vote counts, I'm all for #2. The issue can be revisited a few days after release once everything is calm again.
John-- There are men -- now in power in this country -- who do not respect dissent, who cannot cope with turmoil, and who believe that the people of America are ready to support repression as long as it is done with a quiet voice and a business suit.
John V. Lindsay (1921-2000), US politician, Congressman, Mayor of New York City
On Fri, Jul 08, 2011 at 10:00:09PM -0600, Shawn Thompson wrote:
"leaks"
This is just the silliest thing I have ever heard. This happens all the time, even with Windows. I see no cause for alarm, especially since this is FOSS. What's the problem?
[Please do not top-post to the CentOS mailing lists as per list policy.]
Policy is that until the release is announced on www.centos.org and the mailing lists it is not official and is subject to recall and reissue.
If a mirror leaks content before "bitflip" and such a recall takes place anyone that downloaded that content and installed it will find themselves in a very precarious position as they are using unsupported package content at that moment and this can lead to all sorts of support nightmares. There is precedent for this; there have been cases in the past where ISOs have needed to be reissued after seeding has initially begun.
Content is initially seeded to the mirrors with read access denied for just this reason. When it is determined that all (or most) mirrors are fully seeded and that content is gold the bits are flipped on the master mirrors and all the other mirrors worldwide will pick up this change and open then content to the public.
Shawn, you are working on your own release at this point and as such I urge you to take heed of processes that have worked for many years, and not only for CentOS but for many, if not all, other major releases. You would do very well to heed the experiences of those that have gone before. It may seem "silly" to you but there is sound engineering behind the decision to do things this way.
John
Shawn Thompson wrote:
"leaks"
Yes, as in "drips through barriers" until whole dam is broken. Remember story about Dutch kid that saved the dam by plugging his finger in dam's little hole? If you are doing something, do it right or do not do it at all.
This is just the silliest thing I have ever heard. This happens all the time, even with Windows. I see no cause for alarm, especially since this is FOSS. What's the problem?
I don't care you don't care. I know dev's value their invested time and do not need more headaches.
Because it is not 100% complete. If someone (read hundreds possibly) starts using ISO with a bug, then they could start complaining about something wrong, and dev's and us willing to help could spend may hours not knowing why is that persons PC behave like that. Not to mention possible public name calls for no reason than not caring.
Ljubomir
On 07/09/2011 05:00 AM, Shawn Thompson wrote:
This is just the silliest thing I have ever heard. This happens all the time, even with Windows. I see no cause for alarm, especially since this is FOSS. What's the problem?
Its got nothing to do with FOSS, its got everything to do with not putting in a situation where they have broken installs and/or not manageable machine instances.
we do try quite hard, within the CentOS ecosystem, to not put people in that situation.
Another way of looking at the same thing : our mirror seeding, management and release process isnt handling the 4500 or so external mirrors very well at this time. Mirror Management setup Ver3 should help with that to some level. Better education and more content available for mirror admins should also help ( we do have rather low levels of content covering that side of things in the wiki at the moment - you are most welcome to join and help )
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