On 07/30/2009 02:34 PM, Jim Perrin wrote:
I'd personally like to hear what the community has to say about this, as it's not just an internal matter. Please speak up so that we know where the community stands on this. I'd rather be wrong, but know how people feel than take a stand for a community who has other ideas.
this's not the only thing (but may be one of the most dangerous). i also like to know who are responsible for what is the community?: - who are the centos-3 updates maintainers - who are the centos-4 updates maintainers - who are the centos-5 updates maintainers - who will be the centos-6 maintainers - who are qa team - who are responsible for the centos.org domain and dns (ok lance) - who are responsible for the website, wiki, mailing list - how has root access to the hardware infrastructure and i hope none of the above is a single element set:-)
- what is the hardware infrastructure of centos team - is there any cvs, svn, git for the development why not public - how the release and update build process look like - can we see the build farm status, build logs etc. - what is the qa process
all of these information cab be put up to the wiki in a few hours by those who know the answers.
if these and may be a few other question can be public and clean to the community we can arrange resources and probably can speed up the updates and release process. eg. i'm very interesting how long will it take the 5.4 release (as we all remember how can one man can stop the whole 5.3 release process and no one like to repeat it again).
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On 07/30/2009 02:34 PM, Jim Perrin wrote:
I'd personally like to hear what the community has to say about this, as it's not just an internal matter. Please speak up so that we know where the community stands on this. I'd rather be wrong, but know how people feel than take a stand for a community who has other ideas.
That is definitively a problem. Not only regarding the monetary part, but also regarding the future of CentOS.
Pledges have been made, but there are no checks or redundancy of several roles. The current disapearance of Lance Davis worries me a lot. Yes, we still have a lot of competent people around, who can keep the things going from a technical point of view (Jim, Karan, Ralph etc). But what of the name (trademark?) ? What of the domain ? Will we need to change ALL of our servers to update on a new place ? Will we need to change all of our servers so it will use a new name (and not CentOS) because somewho the holder of the trademark disapears ?
That things came to a point where an open letter was needed is enough to make a lot of people start thinking about the future.
- -- Rodrigo Barbosa "everything looks perfect from far away" - The Postal Service "Be excellent to each other ..." - Bill & Ted (Wyld Stallyns)
Good Evening,
an option would be to move centos.org to centosproject.org and relink the web pages as long we got access to it. This would also fit the Fedora domain naming scheme.
Besides that we are in need of a legal entity (which afaik already exists) to make sure things like these won't happen again.
Best Regards Marcus
Marcus Moeller napsal(a):
Good Evening,
an option would be to move centos.org to centosproject.org and relink the web pages as long we got access to it. This would also fit the Fedora domain naming scheme.
Marcus, good point. No need to reinvent the wheel.
Besides that we are in need of a legal entity (which afaik already exists) to make sure things like these won't happen again.
+1
David Hrbáč
Well, I would like if it is possible to keep this domain and names. It is nice and short. Besides the change would mean a lot of changing.
Regards, Marko On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, David Hrbáč wrote:
Marcus Moeller napsal(a):
Good Evening,
an option would be to move centos.org to centosproject.org and relink the web pages as long we got access to it. This would also fit the Fedora domain naming scheme.
Marcus, good point. No need to reinvent the wheel.
Besides that we are in need of a legal entity (which afaik already exists) to make sure things like these won't happen again.
+1
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David Hrbáč a écrit :
Marcus Moeller napsal(a):
Good Evening,
an option would be to move centos.org to centosproject.org and relink the web pages as long we got access to it. This would also fit the Fedora domain naming scheme.
Marcus, good point. No need to reinvent the wheel.
Yes, I had exactly the same idea.
Besides that we are in need of a legal entity (which afaik already exists) to make sure things like these won't happen again.
+1
David Hrbáč
+2 (if it was necessary).
In any case we reaffirm our full support to the project.
Jean-Marc Liger Sorbonne Networks
"MM" == Marcus Moeller mail@marcus-moeller.de
MM> Besides that we are in need of a legal entity (which afaik MM> already exists) to make sure things like these won't MM> happen again.
Software in the Public Interest (SPI; http://www.spi-inc.org/), which does just that for Debian as well as several other important FOSS projects, would be a good candidate.
Claire
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Well, it is very inconvinient indeed. Hope that he is alright and nothing bad has happened to him.
Regards, Marko On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Rodrigo Barbosa wrote:
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On 07/30/2009 02:34 PM, Jim Perrin wrote:
I'd personally like to hear what the community has to say about this, as it's not just an internal matter. Please speak up so that we know where the community stands on this. I'd rather be wrong, but know how people feel than take a stand for a community who has other ideas.
That is definitively a problem. Not only regarding the monetary part, but also regarding the future of CentOS.
Pledges have been made, but there are no checks or redundancy of several roles. The current disapearance of Lance Davis worries me a lot. Yes, we still have a lot of competent people around, who can keep the things going from a technical point of view (Jim, Karan, Ralph etc). But what of the name (trademark?) ? What of the domain ? Will we need to change ALL of our servers to update on a new place ? Will we need to change all of our servers so it will use a new name (and not CentOS) because somewho the holder of the trademark disapears ?
That things came to a point where an open letter was needed is enough to make a lot of people start thinking about the future.
Rodrigo Barbosa "everything looks perfect from far away" - The Postal Service "Be excellent to each other ..." - Bill & Ted (Wyld Stallyns)
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Marko Bevc wrote:
Well, it is very inconvinient indeed. Hope that he is alright and nothing bad has happened to him.
No, I can assure you that this is not the point. He's alive and well. We wouldn't have written and signed an open letter otherwise.
Ralph
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