I've been noticing, over the last 3 or 4 months, that many of our SIGs are no longer in the habit of holding their (bi-)weekly meetings on IRC. I don't know why this is happening - perhaps they're having their discussions elsewhere, or perhaps there's nothing to discuss.
However, I want to remind you that these meetings are a window into your work for the larger community. Your meeting minutes are public, and useful for people who are not directly involved in the SIG but who want to know what's happening. Even a 5-minute status checkin is valuable to our users.
I would point you to the excellent example of this from the CBS/Infra weekly meeting, the transcript of which you can see here:
https://www.centos.org/minutes/2019/February/centos-devel.2019-02-18-14.02.l...
Note that there's only one meeting participant, but the meeting is held to offer the opportunity for discussion should anyone need it.
Please do get back in the habit of meeting regularly.
On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 01:01:48PM -0500, Rich Bowen wrote:
I've been noticing, over the last 3 or 4 months, that many of our SIGs are no longer in the habit of holding their (bi-)weekly meetings on IRC. I don't know why this is happening - perhaps they're having their discussions elsewhere, or perhaps there's nothing to discuss.
However, I want to remind you that these meetings are a window into your work for the larger community. Your meeting minutes are public, and useful for people who are not directly involved in the SIG but who want to know what's happening. Even a 5-minute status checkin is valuable to our users.
I would point you to the excellent example of this from the CBS/Infra weekly meeting, the transcript of which you can see here:
https://www.centos.org/minutes/2019/February/centos-devel.2019-02-18-14.02.l...
Note that there's only one meeting participant, but the meeting is held to offer the opportunity for discussion should anyone need it.
Please do get back in the habit of meeting regularly.
Rich,
thank you for sending this out.
We, for opstools sig stopped regular irc meetings. At the end, it was just two of us, talking repeatedly about the same; for both of us, the main focus of work moved on; that doesn't mean, the SIG or its content became irrelevant, it just means, there is no need of adding another meeting to the week, when there's nothing to talk about.
With that being said, if there is something, I'm happy to organize new meetings.
What about other SIGs? Or maybe it would be useful to have a regular "SIG"/project sync meeting with SIG chairs reporting progress?
Matthias
On 3/1/19 5:55 AM, Matthias Runge wrote:
We, for opstools sig stopped regular irc meetings. At the end, it was just two of us, talking repeatedly about the same; for both of us, the main focus of work moved on; that doesn't mean, the SIG or its content became irrelevant, it just means, there is no need of adding another meeting to the week, when there's nothing to talk about.
With that being said, if there is something, I'm happy to organize new meetings.
What about other SIGs? Or maybe it would be useful to have a regular "SIG"/project sync meeting with SIG chairs reporting progress?
Or possibly a weekly/biweekly update sent to the mailing list, or ... something.
We've partially filled this space with the quarterly reporting that we instituted this year, and we're getting those from most of the SIGs.
Mostly, I'm concerned about two things:
1) that someone who wanted to participate has a place/time when they can speak up and find someone listening.
2) that work on the SIG doesn't disappear into internal (let's be honest, Red Hat) engineering teams, with no engagement with the upstream.
If you're confident that we're ok on these two points, I won't worry too much about it.
On Tue, Mar 05, 2019 at 03:42:05PM -0500, Rich Bowen wrote:
On 3/1/19 5:55 AM, Matthias Runge wrote:
We, for opstools sig stopped regular irc meetings. At the end, it was just two of us, talking repeatedly about the same; for both of us, the main focus of work moved on; that doesn't mean, the SIG or its content became irrelevant, it just means, there is no need of adding another meeting to the week, when there's nothing to talk about.
With that being said, if there is something, I'm happy to organize new meetings.
What about other SIGs? Or maybe it would be useful to have a regular "SIG"/project sync meeting with SIG chairs reporting progress?
Or possibly a weekly/biweekly update sent to the mailing list, or ... something.
We've partially filled this space with the quarterly reporting that we instituted this year, and we're getting those from most of the SIGs.
Mostly, I'm concerned about two things:
- that someone who wanted to participate has a place/time when they can
speak up and find someone listening.
- that work on the SIG doesn't disappear into internal (let's be
honest, Red Hat) engineering teams, with no engagement with the upstream.
If you're confident that we're ok on these two points, I won't worry too much about it.
Ok, I got you. Being more present in order to catch any possibly interested parties, that is the major benefit of having a regular meeting. On the other side, the barrier of contacting anyone by email should be pretty low, same for irc .
Regarding embedding in other communities, I'm currently happy, that communities like openstack kolla, OPNFV Barometer or also the collectd upstream community are now better connected to us (or we to them).
Matthias
On 02/22/2019 01:01 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
I've been noticing, over the last 3 or 4 months, that many of our SIGs are no longer in the habit of holding their (bi-)weekly meetings on IRC. I don't know why this is happening - perhaps they're having their discussions elsewhere, or perhaps there's nothing to discuss.
However, I want to remind you that these meetings are a window into your work for the larger community. Your meeting minutes are public, and useful for people who are not directly involved in the SIG but who want to know what's happening. Even a 5-minute status checkin is valuable to our users.
For the NFV SIG, mostly it is lonely and no-one joins so I use the meeting time to type in status info.
Although the meetings are scheduled regularly I don't hold every one but try to do the meeting at least once a month.
I would point you to the excellent example of this from the CBS/Infra weekly meeting, the transcript of which you can see here:
https://www.centos.org/minutes/2019/February/centos-devel.2019-02-18-14.02.l...
Note that there's only one meeting participant, but the meeting is held to offer the opportunity for discussion should anyone need it.
Please do get back in the habit of meeting regularly.
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Matthias Runge -
Rich Bowen -
Thomas F Herbert