(05:06:27 PM) hhorak: #startmeeting SCLo SIG sync-up (2015-08-05) (05:06:27 PM) centbot: Meeting started Wed Aug 5 15:06:26 2015 UTC. The chair is hhorak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (05:06:27 PM) centbot: Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. (05:06:31 PM) hhorak: #meetingname sclo-sig-syncup (05:06:31 PM) centbot: The meeting name has been set to 'sclo-sig-syncup' (05:07:10 PM) The account has disconnected and you are no longer in this chat. You will automatically rejoin the chat when the account reconnects. (05:08:03 PM) The topic for #centos-devel is: CentOS Developers and Contributors room | If you have questions regarding CentOS please see #centos (05:08:03 PM) Topic for #centos-devel set by z00dax!~kbsingh@chakra.karan.org at 09:26:30 AM on 12/11/2012 (05:08:08 PM) The account has disconnected and you are no longer in this chat. You will automatically rejoin the chat when the account reconnects. (05:08:45 PM) The topic for #centos-devel is: CentOS Developers and Contributors room | If you have questions regarding CentOS please see #centos (05:08:45 PM) Topic for #centos-devel set by z00dax!~kbsingh@chakra.karan.org at 09:26:30 AM on 12/11/2012 (05:09:08 PM) hhorak1: hm, I lost connection shortly after starting the meeting, so might miss if anybody already waived :) (05:10:00 PM) ***langdon lurks (05:10:06 PM) DV [~veillard@2001:41d0:1:d478::1] entered the room. (05:10:19 PM) ***lalatenduM _o/ (05:10:23 PM) alphacc: hhorak: o/ (05:10:30 PM) jstribny: hi (05:10:41 PM) bstinson: -_o_- (05:10:53 PM) hhorak1: langdon: great you're here :) I've added the prefix thing on the agenda... :) so let's start with the whole vagrant thing... (05:10:59 PM) hhorak left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 252 seconds). (05:11:04 PM) You are now known as hhorak (05:11:10 PM) jstribny: yes please (05:11:16 PM) lalatenduM: :) (05:11:39 PM) langdon: hhorak, you already know what I am gonna say :) (05:11:48 PM) jstribny: so we need to build rh-ruby22 and rh-ror41 and then sclo-vagrant1 (05:12:06 PM) langdon: jstribny, we should already have the ruby and ror, no? (05:12:12 PM) jstribny: where? (05:12:15 PM) ***langdon means "in cent scl sig" (05:12:39 PM) hhorak: So, we want vagrant in centos and since we're gonna build rh-ruby22 and rh-ror41 collections there, it makes sense having vagrant as SCL as well in centos (comparing to normal RPM) (05:12:59 PM) hhorak: langdon: we have it only in copr, same as other scls lalatenduM Lalufu langdon larsks lars_kurth (05:13:20 PM) langdon: hhorak, ohh.. sorry.. i thought they had come over already.. i get my dates confused some times :) (05:13:26 PM) hhorak: langdon: but the plan is to build all the collections and keep their source in centos, so other centos projects can use it (05:13:34 PM) langdon: hhorak, +1 (05:13:44 PM) langdon: with links from scl.o would be nice too (05:14:17 PM) hhorak: langdon: right, that's also on the todo list, just a bit more down :) (05:14:17 PM) lalatenduM: hhorak: +1 (05:15:20 PM) jstribny: is there some semi-automatic rebuild of scls planned? (05:15:26 PM) jstribny: i mean like the copr one (05:15:42 PM) dougsland [~dougsland@tchelinux/moderator/dougsland] entered the room. (05:16:54 PM) hhorak: jstribny: yes, we have already the packages from scl.org imporeted into cbs.koji.org, so we shouldn't have issues with bootstrapping.. and should be able to do the builds almost automatically (05:17:01 PM) hhorak: (hopefully fully automatically) (05:17:41 PM) alaird [~alan@74.121.28.6] entered the room. (05:17:46 PM) hhorak: so, since vagrant is not the rh collection, it will be the first collection as upstream only -- that means it will not use rh- prefix.. but which prefix then? have we already discuss this? (05:17:56 PM) hhorak: sclo- seems like one option... (05:18:32 PM) jstribny: hhorak, i dont really like prefixes at all to be honest:) (05:19:14 PM) hhorak: jstribny: yeah, you're not alone, that's what we have langdon, who can nicely explain why they are no evil (05:19:15 PM) hhorak: :) (05:19:38 PM) hhorak: #link https://www.redhat.com/archives/sclorg/2015-February/msg00022.html (05:19:49 PM) hhorak: (just if anybody wonders which prefixes we talk about) (05:20:41 PM) langdon: sorry.. was talking in my other call (05:21:08 PM) hhorak: from my PoV we simply need them to distinguish vagrant SCL that includes all plugins available in the world (e.g. build in centos upstream) and vagrant with only some necessary plugins available in RH once... (05:21:54 PM) nshaikh [nshaikh@nat/redhat/x-gojnfqdoasqifhss] entered the room. (05:22:03 PM) langdon: so.. in short .. the "rh-" prefix indicates that "red hat peopl decided that these are the right things to put in to a vagrant collection" .. vs "cox- = company x decided these are the right things to put in the vagrant collection" (05:22:08 PM) hhorak: This issue is more relevant in python collections where also, modules are either available or not... so the set of plugins/modules kind of defines what the software collections provides.. (05:22:59 PM) jstribny: i see, but then we should stick with rh- (05:23:01 PM) langdon: it does not (necessarily) imply that rht supports it, endorses it, etc.. (05:23:16 PM) hhorak: another reason is to avoid conflicts we already saw (mysql55 package and mysql55 SCL -- both rpms, but every contains something different) (05:23:31 PM) langdon: it could as easily be jstribny- (except you need a shorter name and a llanal registration ;) ) (05:23:36 PM) masta left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 244 seconds). (05:24:29 PM) lars_kurth left the room (quit: Remote host closed the connection). (05:24:53 PM) lars_kurth [~lars_kurt@97e55056.skybroadband.com] entered the room. (05:25:08 PM) hhorak: langdon: wait, do we need register sclo-? that's just part of the name for the collection... (05:25:51 PM) jstribny: langdon, hhorak well i dont think vagrant1 would conflict with anything in centos (as opposed to other possible scls in future) (05:26:10 PM) alphacc: to not confuse (more) people I'll stick to rh/sclo at this time :) (05:26:18 PM) langdon: hhorak, technically, we are supposed to.. that was the rule.. (and it would be just sclo, but i figure you meant that).. but... i get shaky on sclo- prefix because it implies that it is the canonical scl for that scl.. which is not necessarily a good implication (05:27:04 PM) ***lalatenduM is already confused :-) (05:27:07 PM) jstribny: i am personally inclined to use rh-vagrant1 (05:27:17 PM) langdon: jstribny, the point is not if it conflicts now.. it is if it conflicts in the future or if someone is doing a "secret" one now that they want to push to public later (05:27:46 PM) ***lalatenduM prefers centos inplace of rh. not sure if it makes sense (05:28:37 PM) jstribny: langdon, i know but then again if someone do unprefixed scl.....why that someone should not be us? :)) (05:28:54 PM) hhorak: jstribny: I'm afraid that rh-vagrant1 would imply we need to ship/support all the plugins in rhscl (once vagrant is becoming part of that, if at all) that we have in centos (05:29:13 PM) langdon: jstribny, no un-prefixed scls.. is the recommendation (05:29:32 PM) langdon: hhorak, i disagree but understand your point.. (05:29:45 PM) langdon: half-kidding, epel-vagrant1 ? (05:29:59 PM) hhorak: langdon: now even I am confused :) (05:30:00 PM) langdon: or rh-epel-vagrant1 (05:30:37 PM) jstribny: hhorak, sclo should be always used for upstream? (05:30:38 PM) hhorak: I think we need some generic prefix usable also for collections that will never ever have anything common with rh (05:30:49 PM) langdon: i don't think an rh- prefix should ever indicate that it will be in rhscl.. just that rht employees were the leads on its definition.. but I understand why that may not be obvious to everyone (05:30:51 PM) hhorak: jstribny: that was how I meant it (05:31:05 PM) jstribny: then i believe this would be upsteam (05:31:12 PM) langdon: hhorak, that is why i like something like epel- ... (05:31:23 PM) ***RemiFedora uses "more" (e.g. more-php56) for packages extending "rh" SCL (rh-php56) redkilian reetspissedoff reLad RemiFedora (05:32:03 PM) DV left the room (quit: Remote host closed the connection). (05:32:04 PM) langdon: just the problem is it *isn't* upstream.. it is just one option.. it is not the *only* rpm-scl-ified vagrant collection.. as it would be if it was a "real" rpm.. (05:32:06 PM) dcaro is now known as dcaro_mtg (05:32:06 PM) hhorak: RemiFedora: that's also something we should do the same.. (05:32:18 PM) hhorak: (in other similar extending collections) (05:33:18 PM) ***hhorak wondering whether kbsingh is round, he's always liked the prefix discussion :) (05:33:22 PM) alphacc: I think we did agreed in term of sclo rebuild starting with rh- should be what is shipped by redhat scls. same relation centos <-> rhel. (05:33:22 PM) langdon: RemiFedora "should" be using something like rh-php56-more though.. because it is *still* based on the "rht defined idea of the php collection" (05:33:39 PM) jstribny: langdon, but that implies there is never upstream (05:33:45 PM) langdon: jstribny, exactly (05:33:59 PM) RemiFedora: langdon, your wrong, rh-php56 take upstream from "remi" repo ;) (05:34:36 PM) langdon: RemiFedora, ohh.. i was thinking of your "extra packages" that are not in rhscl.. (05:35:07 PM) RemiFedora: langdon, in "remi" you have eveything, then "rh" pull some, and the others go to "more" (05:35:14 PM) jstribny: langdon, but i create vagrant1, i made the project, i am upstream....you can still do my-own-vagrant-scl as alternative vagrant collection..... (05:35:17 PM) langdon: i think RemiFedora's version should just be called rh-php56 which is the upstream of rh-php56 productized in rhscl (if that is what it is) (05:35:43 PM) langdon: jstribny, right.. hence.. you could use jstribny- (05:35:52 PM) RemiFedora: langdon, not possible, I already have pĥp70 SCL, I don't know yet if it will go to rh ... (05:36:41 PM) jstribny: langdon, but this would be CentOS official scl so probably not jstribny- (although i would love to be so famous) (05:37:12 PM) langdon: i am not sure why this is so hard to explain.. but.. the short version is.. i think we should be careful to not "claim namespace territory" that we don't intend to claim.. so. i really don't care that much :) and am happy to say "call it whatever" just be aware of the implications being made... (05:37:37 PM) erdic left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 246 seconds). (05:37:39 PM) hhorak: hm, I don't think we should use names in centos, we should find nice identification of the whole group instead (I still like sclo the most) (05:38:16 PM) erdic [~erdic@unaffiliated/motley] entered the room. (05:39:00 PM) jstribny: i am fine with sclo (05:39:24 PM) lars_kurth left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 264 seconds). (05:40:40 PM) avij left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 258 seconds). (05:40:41 PM) avij [~anssi@leopardi.miuku.net] entered the room. (05:40:54 PM) ***langdon abstains :) (05:43:01 PM) hhorak: so, let's move on, I confess I'm biased but sclo seems like least problematic :) (05:43:19 PM) hhorak: so let's go with sclo at least for vagrant... alaird alivigni alphacc ksb kstange (05:45:39 PM) JHogarth left the room (quit: Quit: JHogarth). (05:45:41 PM) hhorak: Another point on the agenda was mainly about https://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=9151 -- I was going to ask kbsingh whether this ticket is fine or some information is missing.. (05:45:41 PM) hhorak: but since he doesn't seem to be around, alphacc or bstinson -- anybody involved in dist-git repos creating? (05:46:21 PM) hhorak: I was also thinking about creating request for other components from rhscl at once, there's basically no need to wait with that.. (05:46:36 PM) hhorak: so if nobody stops me, I'll do it tomorrow :) (05:47:23 PM) DV [~veillard@2001:41d0:a:f29f::1] entered the room. (05:47:55 PM) asad_ [~asad_@c048.fem.tu-ilmenau.de] entered the room. (05:48:30 PM) bstinson: hhorak: are these the final dist-git repos that you need? i.e. the ones that go in the RPMS/ project? (05:48:32 PM) jstribny: please do (05:48:53 PM) jstribny: but for vagrant you probably need a list of components right> (05:49:49 PM) xaeth is now known as xaeth_afk (05:51:26 PM) bstinson: if they're the staging ones you should be able to create those repos under the sclo project yourself (05:51:29 PM) hhorak: bstinson: these should still be under sclo/ project and the plan is still build from srpm.. we can't build from rpms/ (i.e. from scm) until we have lookaside cache working, right? (05:51:38 PM) hhorak: jstribny: yes, can you send me the list, please? (05:52:37 PM) lalatenduM: I would suggest a github organisation as of now till we have the dist git working (05:54:30 PM) lalatenduM: or whatever u guys think is right :) (05:54:44 PM) sbonazzo left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving.). (05:54:56 PM) gamename [~gamename@c-67-177-166-184.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] entered the room. (05:55:00 PM) jstribny: hhorak, http://etherpad.corp.redhat.com/V4kXtF6ixQ (05:55:00 PM) hhorak: bstinson: just tried to create sig-sclo/Judy and received 'your personal repository must be located at "~hhorak"' (05:55:11 PM) hhorak: jstribny: thx (05:55:30 PM) hhorak: bstinson: I must do something wrong (05:55:53 PM) langdon: lalatenduM, https://github.com/sclorg ? (05:56:08 PM) xaeth_afk is now known as xaeth (05:56:18 PM) lalatenduM: langdon: yeah , that sounds fine (05:56:25 PM) langdon: lalatenduM, it exists :) (05:56:48 PM) bstinson: hhorak: ah, something going on with permissions then. that's a kbsingh question (05:57:02 PM) hhorak: bstinson: ok, will ask him (05:58:39 PM) hhorak: lalatenduM: langdon: dist-git should be actually ready, at least the sig-sclo ... so I don't think we must do it (commit sources) twice, once to github, then to git.c.o (05:58:41 PM) oere left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving.). (05:58:57 PM) lalatenduM: hhorak: agree (05:58:59 PM) langdon: hhorak, ack.. i was just answering lalatenduM's q (05:59:15 PM) hhorak: great :) (05:59:33 PM) hhorak: ok, anybody else something to discuss today? (05:59:58 PM) hhorak: (I have some new todo items, so will sleep well :) ) (06:00:06 PM) alphacc: hhorak: drop me the full list of collections when you can. (06:00:24 PM) hhorak: alphacc: just the collections or all the packages as well? (06:00:48 PM) alphacc: hhorak: just the collections that need tags in koji :) (06:01:13 PM) hhorak: alphacc: ok, will do. (06:02:16 PM) hhorak: so, closing in a minute :) (06:02:25 PM) alphacc: hhorak: what's the plan for rhscl 6 rebuild at this time ? (06:02:39 PM) alphacc: (last one and I let you go:) (06:03:25 PM) langdon: hhorak, and, from me, do we have a rough eta on any of this? I use the vagrant scl a fair amount and would like updates :) (06:04:29 PM) alphacc: Becasue we rebuild rhscl at work and if it does not appear soon I'll have to kick off a rebuild ; however I'll prefer to do it part of sclo. (06:05:14 PM) hhorak: alphacc: hm, no plans for now, we said we start the proof of concept builds on rhel-7 only... but the PoC was kind of done and it might be more effective to do it at once right? (06:05:32 PM) jstribny: langdon, once ruby scls are rebuilt and i have access to branches, i could build it in two-three days (06:05:37 PM) alphacc: hhorak: at once meaning when we have dist-git ? (06:06:42 PM) alphacc: hhorak: or we can consider a srpm rebuild to have something quickly ? (06:07:00 PM) shaunm left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 244 seconds). (06:07:03 PM) hhorak: alphacc: I meant building rhel6 builds kind of together with rhel7 ones.. (06:07:10 PM) sayan [~sayan@fedora/sayan] entered the room. (06:08:03 PM) hhorak: alphacc: yeah, I think we can have srpm builds for rhel6 as well, I don't see why we couldn't.. (06:08:29 PM) gsanchietti left the room (quit: Quit: Ex-Chat). (06:08:48 PM) alphacc: hhorak: ok, ping me if it's a matter a sending srpm in correct order I can help. (06:09:27 PM) hhorak: langdon: I'm always too positive about eta, so if I say having vagrant for rhel7 built till end of august.. I may be too positive again.. or might not.. (06:09:50 PM) mdittmeier [~mdittmeie@ip68-108-96-112.lv.lv.cox.net] entered the room. (06:09:57 PM) langdon: hhorak, lol (06:10:10 PM) hhorak: alphacc: if we use the same way (import scl.org packages into cbs), which we probably must anyway... the order should be irrelevant (06:11:03 PM) alphacc: hhorak: if you use the bootstrap repo everywhere (06:12:41 PM) hhorak: alphacc: do you think it is problem? I thought we could use it everywhere to save troubles with bootstrapping and circular dependencies.. these are not scm builds anyway :) (06:15:18 PM) alan_ [~alan@93-139-204-195.adsl.net.t-com.hr] entered the room. (06:15:41 PM) alan_ is now known as Guest11649 (06:17:16 PM) talori left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving.). (06:18:24 PM) jstribny left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving). (06:18:54 PM) apevec left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 260 seconds). (06:19:37 PM) davidep left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving.). (06:19:53 PM) alphacc: hhorak: not a problem but I'd like to rebuild against what we have at a point (06:20:40 PM) hhorak: alphacc: fine with me, that should be just another round of scripted builds... theoretically :) (06:21:14 PM) alphacc: hhorak: again just my opinion run it thorugh everybody :) (06:21:17 PM) Guest11649 left the room ("Leaving"). (06:21:49 PM) ***alphacc & (06:21:53 PM) alphacc: thanks all (06:22:05 PM) hhorak: so, I'll prepare the list of scl.org repos for rhel6 and we can create one testing rhel6 scl first.. sounds fine? (06:22:14 PM) hhorak: I'll need to leave as well, thanks all !!! (06:23:00 PM) hhorak: #endmeeting (06:23:00 PM) centbot: Meeting ended Wed Aug 5 16:22:59 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) (06:23:00 PM) centbot: Minutes: centos-devel/2015/centos-devel.2015-08-05-15.06.html (06:23:00 PM) centbot: Minutes (text): centos-devel/2015/centos-devel.2015-08-05-15.06.txt (06:23:00 PM) centbot: Log: centos-devel/2015/centos-devel.2015-08-05-15.06.log.html