hi,
We had a bit of a struggle with Skype today trying to get a few people talking about some infrastructure issues. And I was wondering if anyone had recommendations on what other options there might be ?
Also, some people cant run VoIP / Skype from work so a normal telephone gateway would be nice to have as well. Did I mention people are located all over the world ?
I recall Dennis setting up something for us a while back, but it seems to have gone away.
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Karanbir Singh wrote:
hi,
We had a bit of a struggle with Skype today trying to get a few people talking about some infrastructure issues. And I was wondering if anyone had recommendations on what other options there might be ?
Also, some people cant run VoIP / Skype from work so a normal telephone gateway would be nice to have as well. Did I mention people are located all over the world ?
I recall Dennis setting up something for us a while back, but it seems to have gone away.
Hmm. This sounds like a fun pet project. I might see if I can get my hands on the right equipment and help out a bit. It would also depend on my employer.
The fun thing we need to do more with voice thee days and I have been playing around with stuff a bit. I might get my hand on some "unsupported" hardware that might just work fine and build a ort of gateway.
Ohh. And skype is so a not standard protocol I would just love to make it go away in favor of open standards.
Hugo.
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Hugo van der Kooij wrote:
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hi,
We had a bit of a struggle with Skype today trying to get a few people talking about some infrastructure issues. And I was wondering if anyone had recommendations on what other options there might be ?
Although the problem really seems to have been on my side, I have some data loss somewhere between my home router and the next hop which then leads to static noise over ip instead of voice over ip.
Ohh. And skype is so a not standard protocol I would just love to make it go away in favor of open standards.
Yes. The problem with skype is: It just works. No matter if your home router has a firewall or does NAT or whatever. It works.
HP has a fun thing called virtual classroom (although I cannot remember at the moment if they use VOIP in there). But that seems internal to them.
Cheers,
Ralph
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Hugo van der Kooij wrote:
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hi,
We had a bit of a struggle with Skype today trying to get a few people talking about some infrastructure issues. And I was wondering if anyone had recommendations on what other options there might be ?
Although the problem really seems to have been on my side, I have some data loss somewhere between my home router and the next hop which then leads to static noise over ip instead of voice over ip.
Ohh. And skype is so a not standard protocol I would just love to make it go away in favor of open standards.
Yes. The problem with skype is: It just works. No matter if your home router has a firewall or does NAT or whatever. It works.
Trust me on this: it does not. I have several dozens of linux boxen around, with all flavours of Centos 3, 4 and 5. Skype is my nightmare on anything but the latest version of Centos. Leaving aside that becoming a relay for others and having no control whatsoever over what is sent on the wire scares the s**t out of me.
Hugo van der Kooij a écrit :
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Karanbir Singh wrote:
hi,
We had a bit of a struggle with Skype today trying to get a few people talking about some infrastructure issues. And I was wondering if anyone had recommendations on what other options there might be ?
Also, some people cant run VoIP / Skype from work so a normal telephone gateway would be nice to have as well. Did I mention people are located all over the world ?
I recall Dennis setting up something for us a while back, but it seems to have gone away.
Hmm. This sounds like a fun pet project. I might see if I can get my hands on the right equipment and help out a bit. It would also depend on my employer.
The fun thing we need to do more with voice thee days and I have been playing around with stuff a bit. I might get my hand on some "unsupported" hardware that might just work fine and build a ort of gateway.
Ohh. And skype is so a not standard protocol I would just love to make it go away in favor of open standards.
Perhaps theses two (CentOS based) distros for ToIP could be helpful : http://yum.trixbox.org/centos/5/RPMS/ http://repo.elastix.org/centos/5/updates/RPMS/repodata/
JM
Hugo.
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Jean-Marc LIGER wrote:
Perhaps theses two (CentOS based) distros for ToIP could be helpful : http://yum.trixbox.org/centos/5/RPMS/
trixbox packages are AWFUL [*] from a packager point of view. EPEL has a bunch of VoIP software 10 times better packaged.
[*]: system directories re-owned by the trixbox packages, or au contraire, files or dirs unowned . On top of that they are as SElinux friendly as is "the other" OS.
wolfy "trixbox user because freepbx is nice for users"
Hugo van der Kooij wrote:
Hmm. This sounds like a fun pet project. I might see if I can get my hands on the right equipment and help out a bit. It would also depend on my employer.
Sounds good.
The important thing here, which I might not have stressed earlier is that we just need a place where a bunch of people can call into ( VoIP would be good, Asterisk perhaps ? ) And the people who dont have access to VoIP can perhaps call in using a normal phone. I heard there are people around who can arrange for local termination points ( cyrpomis are you on this list ? :D )
The fun thing we need to do more with voice thee days and I have been playing around with stuff a bit. I might get my hand on some "unsupported" hardware that might just work fine and build a ort of gateway.
Ohh. And skype is so a not standard protocol I would just love to make it go away in favor of open standards.
please do! I shall thank you muchly.
- KB
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Karanbir Singh wrote:
Hugo van der Kooij wrote:
Hmm. This sounds like a fun pet project. I might see if I can get my hands on the right equipment and help out a bit. It would also depend on my employer.
Sounds good.
The important thing here, which I might not have stressed earlier is that we just need a place where a bunch of people can call into ( VoIP would be good, Asterisk perhaps ? ) And the people who dont have access to VoIP can perhaps call in using a normal phone. I heard there are people around who can arrange for local termination points ( cyrpomis are you on this list ? :D )
Given that we have a ISDN-30 line in our lab which is over 90% of the time simply terminated with a loopback connector I think we might handle a few POTS/ISDN calls coming in. Just getting the right card would be my only problem now. I have found a nice 1 unit which should be able to do the work as long as I can find a matching ISDN card to fit into the unit.
Hugo.
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Hugo van der Kooij wrote:
Given that we have a ISDN-30 line in our lab which is over 90% of the time simply terminated with a loopback connector I think we might handle a few POTS/ISDN calls coming in. Just getting the right card would be my only problem now. I have found a nice 1 unit which should be able to do the work as long as I can find a matching ISDN card to fit into the unit.
That sounds good, the next question is - which part of the world are you based in :D
on 9-24-2008 2:36 PM Karanbir Singh spake the following:
Hugo van der Kooij wrote:
Given that we have a ISDN-30 line in our lab which is over 90% of the time simply terminated with a loopback connector I think we might handle a few POTS/ISDN calls coming in. Just getting the right card would be my only problem now. I have found a nice 1 unit which should be able to do the work as long as I can find a matching ISDN card to fit into the unit.
That sounds good, the next question is - which part of the world are you based in :D
Hugo is in the semi-frozen reaches of north-western Europe, somewhere in the Netherlands.
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Scott Silva wrote:
on 9-24-2008 2:36 PM Karanbir Singh spake the following:
Hugo van der Kooij wrote:
Given that we have a ISDN-30 line in our lab which is over 90% of the time simply terminated with a loopback connector I think we might handle a few POTS/ISDN calls coming in. Just getting the right card would be my only problem now. I have found a nice 1 unit which should be able to do the work as long as I can find a matching ISDN card to fit into the unit.
That sounds good, the next question is - which part of the world are you based in :D
Hugo is in the semi-frozen reaches of north-western Europe, somewhere in the Netherlands.
Frozen? We haven´t had a decent winter for over a decade.
Hugo.
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on 9-24-2008 10:51 PM Hugo van der Kooij spake the following:
Scott Silva wrote:
on 9-24-2008 2:36 PM Karanbir Singh spake the following:
Hugo van der Kooij wrote:
Given that we have a ISDN-30 line in our lab which is over 90% of the time simply terminated with a loopback connector I think we might handle a few POTS/ISDN calls coming in. Just getting the right card would be my only problem now. I have found a nice 1 unit which should be able to do the work as long as I can find a matching ISDN card to fit into the unit.
That sounds good, the next question is - which part of the world are you based in :D
Hugo is in the semi-frozen reaches of north-western Europe, somewhere in the Netherlands.
Frozen? We haven´t had a decent winter for over a decade.
Hugo.
I did say semi-frozen. I live near the California desert, US. Anything below 50 degrees Fahrenheit (10C) is cold to me! It is supposed to be 90+ (32 C) today.
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Karanbir Singh wrote:
Hugo van der Kooij wrote:
Given that we have a ISDN-30 line in our lab which is over 90% of the time simply terminated with a loopback connector I think we might handle a few POTS/ISDN calls coming in. Just getting the right card would be my only problem now. I have found a nice 1 unit which should be able to do the work as long as I can find a matching ISDN card to fit into the unit.
That sounds good, the next question is - which part of the world are you based in :D
The Netherlands. Where else ;-)
Hugo.
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Karanbir Singh wrote:
Hugo van der Kooij wrote:
Given that we have a ISDN-30 line in our lab which is over 90% of the time simply terminated with a loopback connector I think we might handle a few POTS/ISDN calls coming in. Just getting the right card would be my only problem now. I have found a nice 1 unit which should be able to do the work as long as I can find a matching ISDN card to fit into the unit.
That sounds good, the next question is - which part of the world are you based in :D
It seems we have no fitting ISDN-30 card for a Linux box. So there is no unique contribution I can make there. I guess anyone can build a VOP box if they set their mind to it.
There is another project which needs a lot more time of me. That is to build a free repo to support MailScanner. I found there are a number of conflicts between perl updates of Centos and rpmforge that seem to require that a number of packages are build by hand again but in a slightly different manner.
For that I need a number of virtual machine to build and test all of this.
So I am afraid I will not be able to work on the VOIP box soon.
Hugo.
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Hugo van der Kooij wrote:
It seems we have no fitting ISDN-30 card for a Linux box. So there is no unique contribution I can make there. I guess anyone can build a VOP box if they set their mind to it.
In which case I am actively looking for volunteers !! Someone who has a bit of time even.
There is another project which needs a lot more time of me. That is to build a free repo to support MailScanner. I found there are a number of conflicts between perl updates of Centos and rpmforge that seem to require that a number of packages are build by hand again but in a slightly different manner.
For that I need a number of virtual machine to build and test all of this.
So I am afraid I will not be able to work on the VOIP box soon.
No worries; thanks for looking into this though.
On Mon, 29 Sep 2008, Karanbir Singh wrote:
Hugo van der Kooij wrote:
It seems we have no fitting ISDN-30 card for a Linux box. So there is no unique contribution I can make there. I guess anyone can build a VOP box if they set their mind to it.
In which case I am actively looking for volunteers !! Someone who has a bit of time even.
I have done local packaging and deployment in this space. The question of a need of termination into the PSTN is about the only blocker. I have a staffer at my ISP looking into pricing on this at a local multi-homed facility.
I had spec'd out a featureset for CentOS 'intercom' and conference meeds, when this topic first crossed this list. I'll get at it tomorrow ad the office.
-- Russ herrold
Hi Russ,
R P Herrold wrote:
I have done local packaging and deployment in this space. The question of a need of termination into the PSTN is about the only blocker. I have a staffer at my ISP looking into pricing on this at a local multi-homed facility.
I had spec'd out a featureset for CentOS 'intercom' and conference meeds, when this topic first crossed this list. I'll get at it tomorrow ad the office.
A little bit of development that happened offlist yesterday was that Patrick ( Laimbock.com ) has also offered to help on this, we've not done much more than identify a machine at this stage, were planning on doing the setup today evening ( EU time ) - so perhaps we can all sync up later today and work on this.
w.r.t DID's - considering 80%[1] of the VoIP industry uses CentOS5/x86_64 I am quietly confident we will be able to get contributions from some of the larger companies for DID's in multiple locations.
- KB
[1] Number out of thin air - purely based on what I've read, been told and come across so far.
I actually manage the Asterisk server at our work (and we have almost everything running on CentOS). I also maintain the Asterisk and related packages in the Atrpms repo. So I can help in setting up a server and maintaining it. I guess the main issue is if that besides VOIP access do we get it connected to the normal telephone network somehow and who is going to pay for that ? I'm using ISDN at work, but I'm pretty sure I can get the other stuff working as well.
Regards, Tim
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