I'm trying to see if there's interest in a small business oriented SIG.
There are already small business distros based on Centos, and perhaps those groups may also want to participate in a SIG. There are certain issues related to small office servers that I believe deserve to be addressed in a community setting. For instance:
1. Easy backup, archive, & offsite mirroring. - Something that is always problematic for every small business I know regardless of server technology.
2. Security issues specifically related to small business.
3. Smooth updating. Trying to make the transition from one major release to the next as easy as possible.
4. Plugable/scalable vertical market application architecture. For instance making the platform hospitable to vertical applications like accounting systems in which the end user doesn't have to spend weeks setting up hosting stacks.
5. Easy user account management, perms setup, etc.
6. Interoperability, easy scalability with cloud systems. For instance explore ideas like having cloud based file server backup that can also be used as live system in case of local failure.
Just some ideas, but anyway if anybody's interested, please let me know.
Thanks,
Omar
-----Original Message----- From: Omar Eljumaily Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 18:15
I'm trying to see if there's interest in a small business oriented SIG.
There are already small business distros based on Centos, and perhaps those groups may also want to participate in a SIG. There are certain issues related to small office servers that I believe deserve to be addressed in a community setting. For instance:
- Easy backup, archive, & offsite mirroring. - Something
that is always problematic for every small business I know regardless of server technology.
- Security issues specifically related to small business.
2.5: Single Sign On e.g. (Samba domain controller or AD integration)
- Smooth updating. Trying to make the transition from one major
release to the next as easy as possible.
- Plugable/scalable vertical market application architecture. For
instance making the platform hospitable to vertical applications like accounting systems in which the end user doesn't have to spend weeks setting up hosting stacks.
Easy user account management, perms setup, etc.
Interoperability, easy scalability with cloud systems.
For instance explore ideas like having cloud based file server backup that can also be used as live system in case of local failure.
Just some ideas, but anyway if anybody's interested, please let me know.
Consider this an interest.
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On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 12:15 AM, Omar Eljumaily omar1@omnicode.com wrote:
I'm trying to see if there's interest in a small business oriented SIG.
There is, see this thread: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2014-January/009393.html
We (ClearOS, SME Server and NethServer) moved forward and submitted an official proposal which is being evaluated. The tentative name for the SIG is Simplified Linux Server.
I hope to have a page on CentOS wiki soon. Meanwhile, we could continue talking here if you are interested.
Email me your wiki username (or create an account) and I'll set you up with the permissions to add your SIG proposal in the proper place. I neglected to do that for you earlier, sorry.
On 05/02/2014 03:48 AM, Filippo Carletti wrote:
On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 12:15 AM, Omar Eljumaily omar1@omnicode.com wrote:
I'm trying to see if there's interest in a small business oriented SIG.
There is, see this thread: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2014-January/009393.html
We (ClearOS, SME Server and NethServer) moved forward and submitted an official proposal which is being evaluated. The tentative name for the SIG is Simplified Linux Server.
I hope to have a page on CentOS wiki soon. Meanwhile, we could continue talking here if you are interested.
Thanks Filippo. It sounds like we're talking about very similar things.
One concern I have is how the project would be "branded." I'm not sure exactly what you have in mind, but a generic name that encompass both home and small office users might be too broad. It's a subtle issue that may not be related to the technology, I know.
Do you have a mailing list? I think I remember reading that SIGs should have their own mailing lists. I can also talk here if I don't wear out my welcome on this channel.
Thanks,
Omar
On 5/2/2014 1:48 AM, Filippo Carletti wrote:
On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 12:15 AM, Omar Eljumaily omar1@omnicode.com wrote:
I'm trying to see if there's interest in a small business oriented SIG.
There is, see this thread: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2014-January/009393.html
We (ClearOS, SME Server and NethServer) moved forward and submitted an official proposal which is being evaluated. The tentative name for the SIG is Simplified Linux Server.
I hope to have a page on CentOS wiki soon. Meanwhile, we could continue talking here if you are interested.
One concern I have is how the project would be "branded." I'm not sure exactly what you have in mind, but a generic name that encompass both home and small office users might be too broad. It's a subtle issue that may not be related to the technology, I know.
I agree with you, but we could be able to "solve" the issue with more variants.
Do you have a mailing list? I think I remember reading that SIGs should have their own mailing lists. I can also talk here if I don't wear out my welcome on this channel.
I think that SIGs do not have mailing lists at the moment (you're right, they're supposed to have them). I hope to setup the wiki page for the SLS SIG later today. Meanwhile, I'm emailing you the SIG proposal.
Thanks Filippo. Here are some general comments on the home vs business issue. I'm not trying to start an argument or anything like that, just carry on a discussion about it.
First of all when I think of what I would do strictly with a home server, I'm thinking:
1. Home security 2. Home automation 3. Entertainment 4. Backup 5. Cloudsync
This is of course just me, my family, and my experience. Also, I'm thinking of server vs client systems. So I think what would I personally do with a home server, these are things that I've already done or intend to do. So I can put all my old VCR tapes and DVDs onto a server and stream them to my tv, well that's cool and I think a lot of people would find that a useful application. I might also want to have the streaming app sync with other people on the internet for some sort of comment streaming system. Maybe I can run a game server as part of a broader internet community. That's also cool.
Some of the things I probably will not do on a home server which are listed on your proposal:
Postfix Cyrus IMAP (or Dovecot) SpamAssassin ClamAV (from EPEL) (perhaps, but not for email) OpenSSL for user certificates
I will almost definitely not run a home email server, and I don't know anybody who runs a home email server. There are even advocates of moving all business email to the cloud, and I frequently have conversations with my clients on that topic. However, there are still important reasons for small businesses to run their own email servers. It would also be very unlikely for a home user to run a public website/web application, but small business is likely to want that for a number of reasons.
Here is a list of things I think small business would use that home users would not:
1. Email server 2. Single signon mechanisms 3. File sharing/Samba in general (perhaps) 4. Public web server (although private LAMP stack would be useful). 5. Client device management and backup (including PDC). 6. VPN server 7. LDAP 8. RAID 9. Replication & mirroring.
Certainly not comprehensive, and of course some home users would want these services, but they can always get the business version if the 2 versions are indeed separated.
There's also this business of convincing people to use a Linux based business server. I personally believe it would be an easier sell if there were a special version very tightly targeted for just business use. Yes, business owners can use the same coffee maker that's in their home in their office, but for some reason they feel more comfortable with something that looks like a commercial version.
I think there certainly are a lot of areas of overlap, and those areas should definitely be addressed, which is another topic. Of course just my take, and thanks again.
Omar
On 5/2/2014 9:44 AM, Filippo Carletti wrote:
One concern I have is how the project would be "branded." I'm not sure exactly what you have in mind, but a generic name that encompass both home and small office users might be too broad. It's a subtle issue that may not be related to the technology, I know.
I agree with you, but we could be able to "solve" the issue with more variants.
Do you have a mailing list? I think I remember reading that SIGs should have their own mailing lists. I can also talk here if I don't wear out my welcome on this channel.
I think that SIGs do not have mailing lists at the moment (you're right, they're supposed to have them). I hope to setup the wiki page for the SLS SIG later today. Meanwhile, I'm emailing you the SIG proposal.
Consider me interested. I unsuccessfully tried to get involved in other ways with the centos project but the response was pretty lukewarm.
I'm still very green with getting involved in projects, but a lot if these goals line up with ideas I've had for a while.
What's the next step?
Tim On May 2, 2014 1:28 PM, "Omar Eljumaily" omar1@omnicode.com wrote:
Thanks Filippo. Here are some general comments on the home vs business issue. I'm not trying to start an argument or anything like that, just carry on a discussion about it.
First of all when I think of what I would do strictly with a home server, I'm thinking:
- Home security
- Home automation
- Entertainment
- Backup
- Cloudsync
This is of course just me, my family, and my experience. Also, I'm thinking of server vs client systems. So I think what would I personally do with a home server, these are things that I've already done or intend to do. So I can put all my old VCR tapes and DVDs onto a server and stream them to my tv, well that's cool and I think a lot of people would find that a useful application. I might also want to have the streaming app sync with other people on the internet for some sort of comment streaming system. Maybe I can run a game server as part of a broader internet community. That's also cool.
Some of the things I probably will not do on a home server which are listed on your proposal:
Postfix Cyrus IMAP (or Dovecot) SpamAssassin ClamAV (from EPEL) (perhaps, but not for email) OpenSSL for user certificates
I will almost definitely not run a home email server, and I don't know anybody who runs a home email server. There are even advocates of moving all business email to the cloud, and I frequently have conversations with my clients on that topic. However, there are still important reasons for small businesses to run their own email servers. It would also be very unlikely for a home user to run a public website/web application, but small business is likely to want that for a number of reasons.
Here is a list of things I think small business would use that home users would not:
- Email server
- Single signon mechanisms
- File sharing/Samba in general (perhaps)
- Public web server (although private LAMP stack would be useful).
- Client device management and backup (including PDC).
- VPN server
- LDAP
- RAID
- Replication & mirroring.
Certainly not comprehensive, and of course some home users would want these services, but they can always get the business version if the 2 versions are indeed separated.
There's also this business of convincing people to use a Linux based business server. I personally believe it would be an easier sell if there were a special version very tightly targeted for just business use. Yes, business owners can use the same coffee maker that's in their home in their office, but for some reason they feel more comfortable with something that looks like a commercial version.
I think there certainly are a lot of areas of overlap, and those areas should definitely be addressed, which is another topic. Of course just my take, and thanks again.
Omar
On 5/2/2014 9:44 AM, Filippo Carletti wrote:
One concern I have is how the project would be "branded." I'm not sure exactly what you have in mind, but a generic name that encompass both home and small office users might be too broad. It's a subtle issue that may not be related to the technology, I know.
I agree with you, but we could be able to "solve" the issue with more
variants.
Do you have a mailing list? I think I remember reading that SIGs should have their own mailing lists. I can also talk here if I don't wear out my welcome on this channel.
I think that SIGs do not have mailing lists at the moment (you're right, they're supposed to have them). I hope to setup the wiki page for the SLS SIG later today. Meanwhile, I'm emailing you the SIG proposal.
CentOS-devel mailing list CentOS-devel@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
I think the next step would be to try to reconcile any differences with the existing "Simplified Linux Server" proposal. The ideas are somewhat similar, but may have philosophical differences. It would work better if more people could agree on working on it together.
Thanks,
Omar
On 5/2/2014 12:01 PM, Tim Krupinski wrote:
Consider me interested. I unsuccessfully tried to get involved in other ways with the centos project but the response was pretty lukewarm.
I'm still very green with getting involved in projects, but a lot if these goals line up with ideas I've had for a while.
What's the next step?
Tim
On May 2, 2014 1:28 PM, "Omar Eljumaily" <omar1@omnicode.com mailto:omar1@omnicode.com> wrote:
Thanks Filippo. Here are some general comments on the home vs business issue. I'm not trying to start an argument or anything like that, just carry on a discussion about it. First of all when I think of what I would do strictly with a home server, I'm thinking: 1. Home security 2. Home automation 3. Entertainment 4. Backup 5. Cloudsync This is of course just me, my family, and my experience. Also, I'm thinking of server vs client systems. So I think what would I personally do with a home server, these are things that I've already done or intend to do. So I can put all my old VCR tapes and DVDs onto a server and stream them to my tv, well that's cool and I think a lot of people would find that a useful application. I might also want to have the streaming app sync with other people on the internet for some sort of comment streaming system. Maybe I can run a game server as part of a broader internet community. That's also cool. Some of the things I probably will not do on a home server which are listed on your proposal: Postfix Cyrus IMAP (or Dovecot) SpamAssassin ClamAV (from EPEL) (perhaps, but not for email) OpenSSL for user certificates I will almost definitely not run a home email server, and I don't know anybody who runs a home email server. There are even advocates of moving all business email to the cloud, and I frequently have conversations with my clients on that topic. However, there are still important reasons for small businesses to run their own email servers. It would also be very unlikely for a home user to run a public website/web application, but small business is likely to want that for a number of reasons. Here is a list of things I think small business would use that home users would not: 1. Email server 2. Single signon mechanisms 3. File sharing/Samba in general (perhaps) 4. Public web server (although private LAMP stack would be useful). 5. Client device management and backup (including PDC). 6. VPN server 7. LDAP 8. RAID 9. Replication & mirroring. Certainly not comprehensive, and of course some home users would want these services, but they can always get the business version if the 2 versions are indeed separated. There's also this business of convincing people to use a Linux based business server. I personally believe it would be an easier sell if there were a special version very tightly targeted for just business use. Yes, business owners can use the same coffee maker that's in their home in their office, but for some reason they feel more comfortable with something that looks like a commercial version. I think there certainly are a lot of areas of overlap, and those areas should definitely be addressed, which is another topic. Of course just my take, and thanks again. Omar On 5/2/2014 9:44 AM, Filippo Carletti wrote: >> One concern I have is how the project would be "branded." I'm not sure >> exactly what you have in mind, but a generic name that encompass both >> home and small office users might be too broad. It's a subtle issue >> that may not be related to the technology, I know. > I agree with you, but we could be able to "solve" the issue with more variants. > >> Do you have a mailing list? I think I remember reading that SIGs should >> have their own mailing lists. I can also talk here if I don't wear out >> my welcome on this channel. > I think that SIGs do not have mailing lists at the moment (you're > right, they're supposed to have them). > I hope to setup the wiki page for the SLS SIG later today. > Meanwhile, I'm emailing you the SIG proposal. > _______________________________________________ CentOS-devel mailing list CentOS-devel@centos.org <mailto:CentOS-devel@centos.org> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
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On 02/05/14 20:28, Omar Eljumaily wrote:
Some of the things I probably will not do on a home server which are listed on your proposal:
Postfix Cyrus IMAP (or Dovecot) SpamAssassin ClamAV (from EPEL) (perhaps, but not for email) OpenSSL for user certificates
I think you are missing the point of many of the small server systems out there.
First, most are geared to small businesses, not the home user, hence Koozali 'SME' server. It was born as a Linux distro with an easy to use interface and aimed at squarely business.
Note 'SME' : Small and Medium Enterprise.
Why ? Ultimately that's where the money is - businesses know the value of paying towards the software that helps them make a profit.
Remember also that software might be 'open source' but that does not equate to 'free to build'. Someone has to pay for the infrastructure to make it all happen !
Ultimately, the home user gets something of a 'free ride' on the back of this and gets the benefit of a business strength server at home......
Second, most try to simplify the administration experience with easy to use management panels etc etc. That means that if you don't want email you can easily turn it off.
So you may not WANT all those items, but it won't hurt you if they are there and you can disable them with a click of a button or a simple command.
Quite honestly if items such as email are being developed for the business version it makes no sense to remove them and/or to develop a 'home' version. Hence you have Microsoft SBS, but they don't sell a home server - there's no value in it.
Of course you could easily use SBS at home, but then you don't want to pay the licence fee.....
If you think you can make a viable case for a separate 'Home' server then please do. However, I think you will find that experience has shown that it doesn't pay.
To be honest, I personally think that your best effort would be geared towards making plugins/contributions for home users.
At Koozali SME we are happy for contributors to add their own software to enhance the basic functionality of the server and there are a multitude of 'contribs' for exactly this purpose. IMHO this is much the better direction to take.
B. Rgds John
Sorry, I didn't mean to harp on email. It was just an example of what I was talking about.
However, most people don't find "free rides" to somewhere they don't want to go as something valuable. It's well established that targeting user option spaces to specialized groups is valuable. In fact I believe it's one of the purposes of the SIG program.
My take is that the SIG program represents both technology and community. The community of people talking about small business servers is quite distinct from the group wanting to talk about running game servers and streaming video to their TVs. They have different goals, different timing, different priorities, everything's different.
Home server may be a pure technological subset of small business server. In that case home users could definitely use the SBS. Whether or not there's a specialized SIG for home users is another question. That wasn't my original suggestion. Still, the "branding" issue and the community issue remain for me.
Thanks,
Omar
On 5/2/2014 1:50 PM, John Crisp wrote:
On 02/05/14 20:28, Omar Eljumaily wrote:
Some of the things I probably will not do on a home server which are listed on your proposal:
Postfix Cyrus IMAP (or Dovecot) SpamAssassin ClamAV (from EPEL) (perhaps, but not for email) OpenSSL for user certificates
I think you are missing the point of many of the small server systems out there.
First, most are geared to small businesses, not the home user, hence Koozali 'SME' server. It was born as a Linux distro with an easy to use interface and aimed at squarely business.
Note 'SME' : Small and Medium Enterprise.
Why ? Ultimately that's where the money is - businesses know the value of paying towards the software that helps them make a profit.
Remember also that software might be 'open source' but that does not equate to 'free to build'. Someone has to pay for the infrastructure to make it all happen !
Ultimately, the home user gets something of a 'free ride' on the back of this and gets the benefit of a business strength server at home......
Second, most try to simplify the administration experience with easy to use management panels etc etc. That means that if you don't want email you can easily turn it off.
So you may not WANT all those items, but it won't hurt you if they are there and you can disable them with a click of a button or a simple command.
Quite honestly if items such as email are being developed for the business version it makes no sense to remove them and/or to develop a 'home' version. Hence you have Microsoft SBS, but they don't sell a home server - there's no value in it.
Of course you could easily use SBS at home, but then you don't want to pay the licence fee.....
If you think you can make a viable case for a separate 'Home' server then please do. However, I think you will find that experience has shown that it doesn't pay.
To be honest, I personally think that your best effort would be geared towards making plugins/contributions for home users.
At Koozali SME we are happy for contributors to add their own software to enhance the basic functionality of the server and there are a multitude of 'contribs' for exactly this purpose. IMHO this is much the better direction to take.
B. Rgds John _______________________________________________ CentOS-devel mailing list CentOS-devel@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
Omar, I basically agree with you.
The SIG idea started with Small Business but evolved in Simplified Linux Server (SLS).
http://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/SLS
I'll try to add something to the picture.
- Home security
- Home automation
Change "Home" with "Office", you'll use the same tools because you have the same targets.
- Entertainment
- Backup
- Cloudsync
Previous 3 points are also needed in the office (in my office we listen to music while working and used to share it sometimes (now there's spotify). :-)
The idea behind NethServer is that of an highly modular system, easily adaptable to different usage scenarios. You will only install the mail server if you need it (or want to play with email, out of curiosity). Adding a new feature is easy and fast: a click on a web page. Building new features is also easy for the developer.
Being modular permits to create a vertical system highly tightened to the needs of the user.
I hope to have an SLS SIG meeting on IRC next week, hope you could join us. Where timezone do you live in? We're spread across GMT-6 and GMT+2.
On Sat, May 03, 2014 at 12:03:49PM +0200, Filippo Carletti wrote:
The SIG idea started with Small Business but evolved in Simplified Linux Server (SLS). http://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/SLS
Have you and other members of this sig been following what's going on in Fedora with the Fedora Server initiative? It seems like there might be some potentially beneficial overlap, and of course changes in Fedora as upstream eventually come down to CentOS.
Take a look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server and specifically https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server/Product_Requirements_Document
Thanks Filippo. I'm in GMT-8, Pacific Time. I get up early, though, so I could do it as early as say GMT 13:00.
I think we're fairly close on the issues that we're trying to confront. There may be some differences in how they're packaged and exposed.
I'm going to put together a specific set of RPMs + goals of how I think it should be carried out. Maybe other people can think about that as well. I'll try to integrate it as much as possible with your existing proposal.
Thanks,
Omar
On 5/3/2014 3:03 AM, Filippo Carletti wrote:
Omar, I basically agree with you.
The SIG idea started with Small Business but evolved in Simplified Linux Server (SLS).
http://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/SLS
I'll try to add something to the picture.
- Home security
- Home automation
Change "Home" with "Office", you'll use the same tools because you have the same targets.
- Entertainment
- Backup
- Cloudsync
Previous 3 points are also needed in the office (in my office we listen to music while working and used to share it sometimes (now there's spotify). :-)
The idea behind NethServer is that of an highly modular system, easily adaptable to different usage scenarios. You will only install the mail server if you need it (or want to play with email, out of curiosity). Adding a new feature is easy and fast: a click on a web page. Building new features is also easy for the developer.
Being modular permits to create a vertical system highly tightened to the needs of the user.
I hope to have an SLS SIG meeting on IRC next week, hope you could join us. Where timezone do you live in? We're spread across GMT-6 and GMT+2.
Is there still going to be a meeting on irc this week? I'm GMT -5 but pretty flexible with times.
Thanks,
Tim On May 4, 2014 5:19 PM, "Omar Eljumaily" omar1@omnicode.com wrote:
Thanks Filippo. I'm in GMT-8, Pacific Time. I get up early, though, so I could do it as early as say GMT 13:00.
I think we're fairly close on the issues that we're trying to confront. There may be some differences in how they're packaged and exposed.
I'm going to put together a specific set of RPMs + goals of how I think it should be carried out. Maybe other people can think about that as well. I'll try to integrate it as much as possible with your existing proposal.
Thanks,
Omar
On 5/3/2014 3:03 AM, Filippo Carletti wrote:
Omar, I basically agree with you.
The SIG idea started with Small Business but evolved in Simplified Linux Server (SLS).
http://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/SLS
I'll try to add something to the picture.
- Home security
- Home automation
Change "Home" with "Office", you'll use the same tools because you have the same targets.
- Entertainment
- Backup
- Cloudsync
Previous 3 points are also needed in the office (in my office we listen to music while working and used to share it sometimes (now there's spotify). :-)
The idea behind NethServer is that of an highly modular system, easily adaptable to different usage scenarios. You will only install the mail server if you need it (or want to play with email, out of curiosity). Adding a new feature is easy and fast: a click on a web page. Building new features is also easy for the developer.
Being modular permits to create a vertical system highly tightened to the needs of the user.
I hope to have an SLS SIG meeting on IRC next week, hope you could join us. Where timezone do you live in? We're spread across GMT-6 and GMT+2.
CentOS-devel mailing list CentOS-devel@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
Thanks, I'll try to make it. I'm Tdk2fe. On May 8, 2014 7:17 AM, "Filippo Carletti" filippo.carletti@gmail.com wrote:
Is there still going to be a meeting on irc this week?
Tomorrow, Friday, 15 GMT on #centos-devel IRC Freenode channel. My nick is filippoc.
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I'll try to make mine omarel
Thanks,
Omar
On 5/8/2014 5:29 AM, Tim Krupinski wrote:
Thanks, I'll try to make it. I'm Tdk2fe.
On May 8, 2014 7:17 AM, "Filippo Carletti" <filippo.carletti@gmail.com mailto:filippo.carletti@gmail.com> wrote:
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On 05/08/2014 05:17 AM, Filippo Carletti wrote:
Is there still going to be a meeting on irc this week?
Tomorrow, Friday, 15 GMT on #centos-devel IRC Freenode channel. My nick is filippoc.
May I suggest you use centbot to capture the meeting log?
The commands to use are here:
http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html#commands
It's an effective way to capture an IRC meeting and keep the rest of the community in the loop. You can see recent examples of meeting logs here:
http://www.centos.org/minutes/2014/march/ e.g. http://www.centos.org/minutes/2014/march/centos-devel.2014-03-05-21.04.html
BTW, I enjoy these discussions on centos-devel and am glad they are not off on a side mailing list. I think there is value in sharing all these discussions widely - it helps with coordination, collaboration, and avoiding redundancy, for example. Shall we keep things all together until there's an obvious need to shift the conversation to a new mailing list?
- - Karsten - -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade .^\ CentOS Doer of Stuff http://TheOpenSourceWay.org \ http://community.redhat.com @quaid (identi.ca/twitter/IRC) \v' gpg: AD0E0C41
This is embarrassing to ask, but does GMT take into account daylight/summer time? I thought I was -8 GMT, but when I check on GMT on various internet sites it seems I'm -7. I thought that GMT was UTC with summer time, but maybe I'm wrong. Wondering if 15 GMT is 7:00 or 8:00 Pacific Time.
Thanks,
Omar
On 5/8/2014 10:40 PM, Karsten Wade wrote:
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On 05/08/2014 05:17 AM, Filippo Carletti wrote:
Is there still going to be a meeting on irc this week?
Tomorrow, Friday, 15 GMT on #centos-devel IRC Freenode channel. My nick is filippoc.
May I suggest you use centbot to capture the meeting log?
The commands to use are here:
http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html#commands
It's an effective way to capture an IRC meeting and keep the rest of the community in the loop. You can see recent examples of meeting logs here:
http://www.centos.org/minutes/2014/march/ e.g. http://www.centos.org/minutes/2014/march/centos-devel.2014-03-05-21.04.html
BTW, I enjoy these discussions on centos-devel and am glad they are not off on a side mailing list. I think there is value in sharing all these discussions widely - it helps with coordination, collaboration, and avoiding redundancy, for example. Shall we keep things all together until there's an obvious need to shift the conversation to a new mailing list?
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On 09/05/2014 14:50, Omar Eljumaily wrote:
This is embarrassing to ask, but does GMT take into account daylight/summer time?
Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) is an absolute reference time and does not change with the seasons.
No difference with UTC http://www.diffen.com/difference/GMT_vs_UTC
Alessio
This is embarrassing to ask, but does GMT take into account daylight/summer time? I thought I was -8 GMT, but when I check on GMT
AKAIK no, GMT is UTC. Now it's 13:04 GMT, but London is 14:04 and Rome 15:04.
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
The meeting will begin in two hours.
http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/info/current-time/
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 7:04 AM, Filippo Carletti <filippo.carletti@gmail.com
wrote:
This is embarrassing to ask, but does GMT take into account daylight/summer time? I thought I was -8 GMT, but when I check on GMT
AKAIK no, GMT is UTC. Now it's 13:04 GMT, but London is 14:04 and Rome 15:04.
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
The meeting will begin in two hours.
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Unfortunately other obligations prevent me from making it to the meeting today - will minutes be sent out?
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 8:14 AM, David Loper dloper@clearcenter.com wrote:
http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/info/current-time/
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 7:04 AM, Filippo Carletti < filippo.carletti@gmail.com> wrote:
This is embarrassing to ask, but does GMT take into account daylight/summer time? I thought I was -8 GMT, but when I check on GMT
AKAIK no, GMT is UTC. Now it's 13:04 GMT, but London is 14:04 and Rome 15:04.
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
The meeting will begin in two hours.
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Unfortunately other obligations prevent me from making it to the meeting today - will minutes be sent out?
Not sure about that, but I could send here as an attachment.
Briefly, the SLS SIG (tentative name) needs to take some actions.
Action Items ------------ * modify sig wiki page -> Status: proposal - DONE * expand Deliverables section * ask for comments on centos-devel * talk to Jim for advice on a board member to sponsor the SLS SIG
So, please share your ideas for a linux distro targeted to home/soho users.
Em 09-05-2014 13:29, Filippo Carletti escreveu:
Unfortunately other obligations prevent me from making it to the meeting today - will minutes be sent out?
Not sure about that, but I could send here as an attachment.
Briefly, the SLS SIG (tentative name) needs to take some actions.
Action Items
- modify sig wiki page -> Status: proposal - DONE
- expand Deliverables section
- ask for comments on centos-devel
- talk to Jim for advice on a board member to sponsor the SLS SIG
So, please share your ideas for a linux distro targeted to home/soho users.
+1 here to the interested/possible contributors list :)
Marcelo
On 05/09/2014 11:29 AM, Filippo Carletti wrote:
- talk to Jim for advice on a board member to sponsor the SLS SIG
I'm still catching up on email after being in .br last week, however I'll sponsor this from the board perspective.
In reading over the past meeting notes, and the goals for this group, here's what I would like to see:
A staged release plan with 3 or 4 clearly outlined deliverables for the first stage. From the notes, it reads like there's a bit of feature creep. Lets outline a few things for an an initial solid release and move out from there.
I'd also like to see this structured with a bit of project leadership based in a meritocratic fashion. Since Filippo brought this plan up at fosdem, and has been leading the effort so far with getting the wiki set up and writing up the proposal, I feel he's earned the initial chair position and should continue to drive/lead this effort.
Filippo, will you (as this SIG's chair) and the other settle on a few solid target items for the initial release goals? This will give the users the ability to follow a roadmap of sorts and help to avoid feature creep while still adding functionality.
On 05/13/2014 09:50 AM, Jim Perrin wrote:
On 05/09/2014 11:29 AM, Filippo Carletti wrote:
- talk to Jim for advice on a board member to sponsor the SLS SIG
I'm still catching up on email after being in .br last week, however I'll sponsor this from the board perspective.
Filippo, will you (as this SIG's chair) and the other settle on a few solid target items for the initial release goals?
We'll certainly do. The meeting outlined the weak points in our proposal, we will improve the wiki page soon. Unfortunately, I'm swamped with the organization of an event, I'll be on track next week.
I'm back from #neth14, ready to move on with the Small Business SIG. :-)
Last week, the Fedora Server group suggested that there's some overlap between their initiative and this sig. I tend to agree with them, tomorrow I'll join their meeting to refine my ideas, then I'll summarize here.
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 6:10 PM, Jim Perrin jperrin@centos.org wrote:
Filippo, will you (as this SIG's chair) and the other settle on a few solid target items for the initial release goals?
We had some chat off-list, expect a roadmap soon.
Last week, the Fedora Server group suggested that there's some overlap between their initiative and this sig. I tend to agree with them, tomorrow I'll join their meeting
This is an invitation for all interested parties to join the meeting: The Server working group meets weekly on Tuesdays at 11 AM ET in #fedora-meeting-1.
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 05:38:42PM +0200, Filippo Carletti wrote:
Last week, the Fedora Server group suggested that there's some overlap between their initiative and this sig. I tend to agree with them, tomorrow I'll join their meeting to refine my ideas, then I'll summarize here.
Whooo -- collaboration :)
On 02/05/2014 11:28, Omar Eljumaily wrote:
Thanks Filippo. Here are some general comments on the home vs business issue. I'm not trying to start an argument or anything like that, just carry on a discussion about it.
I'm sorry, but I don't agree. You can have your opinion but let's not write off a whole segment with a 'general comment'.
As one of the core developers behind Koozali the home user is important although you could consider it SoHo if you prefer.
Ian
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