Good day.
The "tzdata-2011h-3.el6.noarch.rpm" needs to be pushed into mainline 6.0 repo ASAP. The mainline 6.0 repo version of tzdata contains no update for latest Russian (and maybe some others, don't know) timezone changes, causing major headaches.
I know it's against mainline policy, but here overal stability is an issue. Probably it has to be pushed as .centos update variant.
Vreme: 11/02/2011 08:16 AM, Alex/AT piše:
Good day.
The "tzdata-2011h-3.el6.noarch.rpm" needs to be pushed into mainline 6.0 repo ASAP. The mainline 6.0 repo version of tzdata contains no update for latest Russian (and maybe some others, don't know) timezone changes, causing major headaches.
I know it's against mainline policy, but here overal stability is an issue. Probably it has to be pushed as .centos update variant. --
Yes, Russian government did change it's timezone settings regarding Summer/Spring +/-1h switch. It should not create any other problems.
On 11/02/2011 10:45 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
Vreme: 11/02/2011 08:16 AM, Alex/AT piše:
Good day.
The "tzdata-2011h-3.el6.noarch.rpm" needs to be pushed into mainline 6.0 repo ASAP. The mainline 6.0 repo version of tzdata contains no update for latest Russian (and maybe some others, don't know) timezone changes, causing major headaches.
I know it's against mainline policy, but here overal stability is an issue. Probably it has to be pushed as .centos update variant. --
Yes, Russian government did change it's timezone settings regarding Summer/Spring +/-1h switch. It should not create any other problems.
And whoever needs the updated package should grab it from the /cr/ repo (or , in simpler words, use the /cr/ repo) . I really see no reason to change the policy of updates because of this package.
On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 11:13 +0200, Manuel Wolfshant wrote:
I really see no reason to change the policy of updates because of this package.
Think of the horrible time management mess in heterogeneous systems across two continents, where CentOS 6 without CR enabled by default is combined with CentOS 5 (which has already received this update) and other distributions.
If it doesn't affect your personal machines, it doesn't mean that it doesn't affect hundreds of thousands of other servers. Anyway, it's too late now, by this time most would cherry-pick this update from CR...
On 11/02/2011 11:19 AM, Yury V. Zaytsev wrote:
On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 11:13 +0200, Manuel Wolfshant wrote:
I really see no reason to change the policy of updates because of this package.
Think of the horrible time management mess in heterogeneous systems across two continents, where CentOS 6 without CR enabled by default is combined with CentOS 5 (which has already received this update) and other distributions.
If it doesn't affect your personal machines,
Given the figures that you have mentioned, I suspect that my "personal" machines are in the same order of magnitude as yours. And they also span several continents. And we have a clear policy regarding updates. Including pushing "emergency fixes" to those that need it.But our policy does not mandate changes in the distro policy, it gets adapted according to it.
it doesn't mean that it doesn't affect hundreds of thousands of other servers. Anyway, it's too late now, by this time most would cherry-pick this update from CR...
Vreme: 11/02/2011 10:13 AM, Manuel Wolfshant piše:
On 11/02/2011 10:45 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
Vreme: 11/02/2011 08:16 AM, Alex/AT piše:
Good day.
The "tzdata-2011h-3.el6.noarch.rpm" needs to be pushed into mainline 6.0 repo ASAP. The mainline 6.0 repo version of tzdata contains no update for latest Russian (and maybe some others, don't know) timezone changes, causing major headaches.
I know it's against mainline policy, but here overal stability is an issue. Probably it has to be pushed as .centos update variant. --
Yes, Russian government did change it's timezone settings regarding Summer/Spring +/-1h switch. It should not create any other problems.
And whoever needs the updated package should grab it from the /cr/ repo (or , in simpler words, use the /cr/ repo) . I really see no reason to change the policy of updates because of this package.
Yeah, I was thinking about upstream clone policy after posting.
Maybe it could find it's way into Extras repo? That should keep it policy safe and make sure that time zone on systems from other parts of the world have correct time in Russia.
On Wed, 2 Nov 2011, Alex/AT wrote:
The "tzdata-2011h-3.el6.noarch.rpm" needs to be pushed into mainline 6.0 repo ASAP. The mainline 6.0 repo version of tzdata contains no update for latest Russian (and maybe some others, don't know) timezone changes, causing major headaches.
and yet I see in today's stream: tzdata-2011l-4.el6.src.rpm
... this particular package is usually a trivial package to rebuild -- BUT THE Java related one is NOT. Local authorities dont plan ahead, and fixing the matter is already documented in the wiki with the 'rebuilding SRPMs' article
Coming up with a policy for 'special casing' CR matter into updates seems like a discussion we need to have first. I am not against doing so in limited cases. but we need to consider the liklihood of breaking update path, and indeed, running installs, first
-- Russ herrold
R P Herrold herrold@centos.org писал(а) в своём письме Wed, 02 Nov 2011 21:37:15 +0400:
... this particular package is usually a trivial package to rebuild -- BUT THE Java related one is NOT. Local authorities dont plan ahead, and fixing the matter is already documented in the wiki with the 'rebuilding SRPMs' article
Yes, it's not only tzdata that requires attention. At least PHP and Java packages are urging for some care as well. But the tzdata is the package with most impact, it may be pushed into extras, as said before.
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