Hi everyone!
QQ unrelated to all current discussions around C8; is minimal ISO in progress or is it not being produced anymore as part of 8.3 release?
Cheers, Marko
Greetings,
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QQ unrelated to all current discussions around C8; is minimal ISO in progress or is it not being produced anymore as part of 8.3 release?
For whatever reason, media building in CentOS 8 has suffered. There has been no live media (and RHEL doesn't have it, right?)... and the minimal media has been somewhat broken for some time. Use the boot or the DVD. boot is for net installs. The minimal from 8.2 was ~1.6GB... so it wasn't really minimal. They have had trouble building minimal media... so I guess that's why it was dropped in 8.3.
Is someone working on it? I don't know.
TYL,
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 13:12, Scott Dowdle dowdle@montanalinux.org wrote:
Greetings,
----- Original Message -----
QQ unrelated to all current discussions around C8; is minimal ISO in progress or is it not being produced anymore as part of 8.3 release?
For whatever reason, media building in CentOS 8 has suffered. There has been no live media (and RHEL doesn't have it, right?)... and the minimal media has been somewhat broken for some time. Use the boot or the DVD. boot is for net installs. The minimal from 8.2 was ~1.6GB... so it wasn't really minimal. They have had trouble building minimal media... so I guess that's why it was dropped in 8.3.
Is someone working on it? I don't know.
It is being worked on in that there will be an iso called minimal. That said.. it will be similar in size as the previous one. There isn't much that can be done with how interconnected packages are now.
TYL,
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On 14/12/2020 18:46, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 13:12, Scott Dowdle <dowdle@montanalinux.org mailto:dowdle@montanalinux.org> wrote:
Greetings, ----- Original Message ----- > QQ unrelated to all current discussions around C8; is minimal ISO in > progress or is it not being produced anymore as part of 8.3 release? For whatever reason, media building in CentOS 8 has suffered. There has been no live media (and RHEL doesn't have it, right?)... and the minimal media has been somewhat broken for some time. Use the boot or the DVD. boot is for net installs. The minimal from 8.2 was ~1.6GB... so it wasn't really minimal. They have had trouble building minimal media... so I guess that's why it was dropped in 8.3. Is someone working on it? I don't know.It is being worked on in that there will be an iso called minimal. That said.. it will be similar in size as the previous one. There isn't much that can be done with how interconnected packages are now.
It's not how interconnected they are. There are two sets of packages on the iso - it contains both Minimal _and_ Server with GUI selections and thus it's about 900MB bigger than it needs to be. Now whether that can be amended so it doesn't include 4 or 500 unnecessary packages is another question...
Trevor
Greetings,
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It is being worked on in that there will be an iso called minimal. That said.. it will be similar in size as the previous one. There isn't much that can be done with how interconnected packages are now.
It's not how interconnected they are. There are two sets of packages on the iso - it contains both Minimal _and_ Server with GUI selections and thus it's about 900MB bigger than it needs to be. Now whether that can be amended so it doesn't include 4 or 500 unnecessary packages is another question...
Also it has an option to pick software packages which totally doesn't work at all. Sure it'll install... but you won't actually get all of the extra packages you selected. Other than that, it's a total win (sarcasm).
TYL,
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 14:05, Scott Dowdle dowdle@montanalinux.org wrote:
Greetings,
----- Original Message -----
It is being worked on in that there will be an iso called minimal. That said.. it will be similar in size as the previous one. There isn't much that can be done with how interconnected packages are now.
It's not how interconnected they are. There are two sets of packages on the iso - it contains both Minimal _and_ Server with GUI selections and thus it's about 900MB bigger than it needs to be. Now whether that can be amended so it doesn't include 4 or 500 unnecessary packages is another question...
Also it has an option to pick software packages which totally doesn't work at all. Sure it'll install... but you won't actually get all of the extra packages you selected. Other than that, it's a total win (sarcasm).
Maybe if I could get some help here on getting a pungi config which didn't do this versus the usual 'well if you can't get it perfect you shouldn't have gotten out of bed'.. we could move this forward.
TYL,
Scott Dowdle 704 Church Street Belgrade, MT 59714 (406)388-0827 [home] (406)994-3931 [work] _______________________________________________ CentOS-devel mailing list CentOS-devel@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
Greetings,
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Maybe if I could get some help here on getting a pungi config which didn't do this versus the usual 'well if you can't get it perfect you shouldn't have gotten out of bed'.. we could move this forward.
I was trying to get across the point that the minimal media wasn't really a good option but that the other two are. I am unfamiliar with Pungi but if someone with your chops is having trouble, it most likely isn't doable... and certainly not by me.
Is there a git repo for the minimal media I could look at?
TYL,
I'd also be interested in that Git repo as well.
Cheers, Marko On Mon, 14 Dec 2020, Scott Dowdle wrote:
Greetings,
----- Original Message -----
Maybe if I could get some help here on getting a pungi config which didn't do this versus the usual 'well if you can't get it perfect you shouldn't have gotten out of bed'.. we could move this forward.
I was trying to get across the point that the minimal media wasn't really a good option but that the other two are. I am unfamiliar with Pungi but if someone with your chops is having trouble, it most likely isn't doable... and certainly not by me.
Is there a git repo for the minimal media I could look at?
TYL,
On 15/12/2020 10:34, Marko Bevc wrote:
I'd also be interested in that Git repo as well.
Cheers, Marko On Mon, 14 Dec 2020, Scott Dowdle wrote:
AFAIK,
Kickstart files used by pungi/koji : https://git.centos.org/centos/kickstarts/tree/master
Pungi config files : https://git.centos.org/centos/pungi-centos/tree/centos-8.3.2011 (branch per release, as usual)
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 19:00, Scott Dowdle dowdle@montanalinux.org wrote:
Greetings,
----- Original Message -----
Maybe if I could get some help here on getting a pungi config which didn't do this versus the usual 'well if you can't get it perfect you shouldn't have gotten out of bed'.. we could move this forward.
I was trying to get across the point that the minimal media wasn't really a good option but that the other two are. I am unfamiliar with Pungi but if someone with your chops is having trouble, it most likely isn't doable... and certainly not by me.
Is there a git repo for the minimal media I could look at?
I thought it was https://git.centos.org/centos/kickstarts but I do not see the Minimal ks in it. I had sent this one to be used a long time ago but I do not know if that was what was used in the final production. For a non-CentOS way I did find this https://github.com/uboreas/centos-8-minimal which may work or could be followed to make a minimal
TYL,
Scott Dowdle 704 Church Street Belgrade, MT 59714 (406)388-0827 [home] (406)994-3931 [work] _______________________________________________ CentOS-devel mailing list CentOS-devel@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
Cool, cheers Stephen!
Looking forward to that ISO as DVD is overkill for minimal installs.
-- Marko On Mon, 14 Dec 2020, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 13:12, Scott Dowdle dowdle@montanalinux.org wrote: Greetings,
----- Original Message ----- > QQ unrelated to all current discussions around C8; is minimal ISO in > progress or is it not being produced anymore as part of 8.3 release? For whatever reason, media building in CentOS 8 has suffered. There has been no live media (and RHEL doesn't have it, right?)... and the minimal media has been somewhat broken for some time. Use the boot or the DVD. boot is for net installs. The minimal from 8.2 was ~1.6GB... so it wasn't really minimal. They have had trouble building minimal media... so I guess that's why it was dropped in 8.3. Is someone working on it? I don't know.It is being worked on in that there will be an iso called minimal. That said.. it will be similar in size as the previous one. There isn't much that can be done with how interconnected packages are now. TYL, -- Scott Dowdle 704 Church Street Belgrade, MT 59714 (406)388-0827 [home] (406)994-3931 [work] _______________________________________________ CentOS-devel mailing list CentOS-devel@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
-- Stephen J Smoogen.
Greetings,
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Looking forward to that ISO as DVD is overkill for minimal installs.
The boot media, while being netinstall based, makes it fairly easy to do a minimal install. You just have turn on the network... and then it'll download the package metadata and let you do an install... and download all needed packages. When done, you'll have a current install with all of the updated packages that you wouldn't find on a dated minimal media... and you'd have to manually run updates. Depending on where you are in the lifecycle, your first update could be almost nothing, or it could be fairly close to downloading as much as a netinstall did.
If you haven't tried the boot media, it is small and works fairly well. If you are on a system without a chance of networking, not so much.
TYL,
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