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Hi
My name is Claudio Filho and i was the L10N lead and yet am the marketing contact and native language to Brazil and pt-BR of OpenOffice.org project.
Recently, Thiago told with me about the BrOffice.org(Broo) and i asked why haven't the Broo in CentOS. Today, he sent me informations about this list, i read all the thread, and now i will try to reply all questions about this thread.
Just to make some things a little clearer. The name "Open Office" is trademarked in Brazil. The logo, splash and other branding elements are not. The trademark itself is registered in Brazil's Patent and Trademark Office[1] (INPI) and can be checked at their site. Unfortunately there is no direct link... [1]http://www.inpi.gov.br/
Because this problem, the owner of brand/trademark started a juridic campaign to get money of people that are using "OpenOffice*" in Brazil and requesting compensations($$) from developers like the brazilian OOo team and Sun Microsystems. They have *goods* lawyers, and we has luck of to get help with lawyers of Federal Gov for our defense.
The result is that all user (win, mac or linux) that use a program 'OpenOffice*' (can be "Open Office", "OpenOffice" or "OpenOffice.org"), by interpretation of INPI, is breaking the copyrights of owner of the brand. So, by determination of Federal Government, is denied the use of "OpenOffice*", and the official option is BrOffice.org. To protect our devels and users, we created a NGO (with the same name) and registered the brand 'BrOffice.org' saving our necks (and of our users) of juridic problems.
In 2006, i spoke with Rene Engelhard, lead of OOo team in Debian, about our problem and he created a "semi" meta-package[2] of Broo in him distro. Why "semi" meta-pkg? Because this pkg depends of OOo pkgs and have more the files and changes of name and images (splash, about, etc), with ~3.8Mb. [2]http://packages.debian.org/sid/broffice.org
Today, for brazilian users that uses Debian haven't legal problems, and what Thiago (and me) wishes is extend this legal situation to brazilian users of CentOS.
Ah! and the more important is that Broo NOT IS a fork of OOo. Broo is the pt-BR OOo! This question was discussed in the OOo Council and approved, and reflected in our page[3] inside of OOo Project. [3]http://br-pt.openoffice.org/
Best regards Claudio
Hi Claudio,
Thanks for the info.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:58:20PM +0100, Claudio F Filho wrote:
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Hi
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The result is that all user (win, mac or linux) that use a program 'OpenOffice*' (can be "Open Office", "OpenOffice" or "OpenOffice.org"), by interpretation of INPI, is breaking the copyrights of owner of the brand. So, by determination of Federal Government, is denied the use of "OpenOffice*", and the official option is BrOffice.org. To protect our devels and users, we created a NGO (with the same name) and registered the brand 'BrOffice.org' saving our necks (and of our users) of juridic problems.
Does that also mean that all the commercial linux distributions sold in Brazil have a custom made OpenOffice.org ?
In 2006, i spoke with Rene Engelhard, lead of OOo team in Debian, about our problem and he created a "semi" meta-package[2] of Broo in him distro. Why "semi" meta-pkg? Because this pkg depends of OOo pkgs and have more the files and changes of name and images (splash, about, etc), with ~3.8Mb. [2]http://packages.debian.org/sid/broffice.org
Today, for brazilian users that uses Debian haven't legal problems, and what Thiago (and me) wishes is extend this legal situation to brazilian users of CentOS.
imho, that should be pushed upstream...
Tru
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Tru Huynh escreveu:
Thanks for the info.
Welcome. =)
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:58:20PM +0100, Claudio F Filho wrote: Does that also mean that all the commercial linux distributions sold in Brazil have a custom made OpenOffice.org ?
No. Ubuntu already have the Broo pkg. RH and Novell not yet. I already told with the brazilian manager of this companies about this question but without solution.
The people of Fedora have (or is in study). I haven't exact numbers about the "linux population" here, but our numbers are 50M of desktops, where 15M have Broo, and in this machines, 85% is windows.
About linux specifically, i can talk about projects like "Linux Educacional"[1], where we talk about "a very clean Debian-based distribution" to a reality of "29,000 labs deployed, serving approximately 36 million students". [1]http://piacentini.livejournal.com/7871.html
RH, Mandriva and Novell basically attempt servers, and some desktops. The bigs projects that i know uses fedora, ubuntu and debian, and where use fedora, like in Serpro[2], our federal processing data service, with 250k desktops running a customized fedora in 2007, aways was with Broo pkg(rpm.tar.gz) proved by us (without optimization like in debian, generic for all rpm linux based). [2]http://www.serpro.gov.br/
imho, that should be pushed upstream...
Sorry... i not understood. 'upstream' of OOo or CentOS? If is about OOo, Broo (with images and patches) *is part* of the source of OOo. If is about CentOS, +1. =)
Bests Claudio
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Claudio F Filho wrote:
imho, that should be pushed upstream...
Sorry... i not understood. 'upstream' of OOo or CentOS? If is about OOo, Broo (with images and patches) *is part* of the source of OOo. If is about CentOS, +1. =)
Upstream of CentOS - meaning Red Hat.
Seems to be targeted for Fedora 11, so it could conceivably be in EL6.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BrOffice.org_Spin
Does not mean that CentOS could not lead the way, along the lines Luciano Rocha suggested, if there is interest.
Phil
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