Hello all!
In a few days (namely 2024-05-24), the SSL certificate on https://www.softwarecollections.org will expire, and I do not plan to renew it. The reason is simple: both RHEL and CentOS 7 are at least approaching their End-of-Life, and with them, most of the Software Collections RPMs as well.
The website itself will stay up for at least few months, in case anyone really needs it for something. Given that the contents are mostly out of date (which is my fault, it was on the backlog so far it fell off), the only relevant part that I can think of is the SCL packaging guide [1]. If you will have a need of it in the future, let me point you to it's sources [2], which should be kept up to date.
[1]: https://www.softwarecollections.org/en/docs/guide/ [2]: https://github.com/pmkovar/packaging-guide
I guess that's it. See you somewhere else someday! -- Jan Staněk Software Engineer, Red Hat jstanek@redhat.com irc: jstanek
On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 8:30 AM Jan Staněk jstanek@redhat.com wrote:
Hello all!
In a few days (namely 2024-05-24), the SSL certificate on https://www.softwarecollections.org will expire, and I do not plan to renew it. The reason is simple: both RHEL and CentOS 7 are at least approaching their End-of-Life, and with them, most of the Software Collections RPMs as well.
The website itself will stay up for at least few months, in case anyone really needs it for something. Given that the contents are mostly out of date (which is my fault, it was on the backlog so far it fell off), the only relevant part that I can think of is the SCL packaging guide [1]. If you will have a need of it in the future, let me point you to it's sources [2], which should be kept up to date.
I guess that's it. See you somewhere else someday!
Could it be replaced with a Let's Encrypt certificate?
Am 22.05.24 um 14:30 schrieb Jan Staněk:
Hello all!
In a few days (namely 2024-05-24), the SSL certificate on https://www.softwarecollections.org will expire, and I do not plan to renew it. The reason is simple: both RHEL and CentOS 7 are at least approaching their End-of-Life, and with them, most of the Software Collections RPMs as well.
The website itself will stay up for at least few months, in case anyone really needs it for something. Given that the contents are mostly out of date (which is my fault, it was on the backlog so far it fell off), the only relevant part that I can think of is the SCL packaging guide [1]. If you will have a need of it in the future, let me point you to it's sources [2], which should be kept up to date.
Just curious ... are SCLs as rpm technology actually used right now, I mean for packaging in new OS releases. I see only Remi's packaging/repos are using it (great example for using it!). Will current/future OS releases using it again (Fedora >=40, RHEL >=10)?
Leon Fauster via devel devel@lists.centos.org writes:
Just curious ... are SCLs as rpm technology actually used right now, I mean for packaging in new OS releases. I see only Remi's packaging/repos are using it (great example for using it!). Will current/future OS releases using it again (Fedora >=40, RHEL >=10)?
Not that I know. I think there are some special cases (devtoolset/gcc-toolset), but most were/are being replaced with either modules (RHEL 8/9, Fedora <40) or normal rpms aiming for parallel installation (Fedora >= 40, possibly RHEL 10).
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On Wed, 22 May 2024 at 08:31, Jan Staněk jstanek@redhat.com wrote:
Hello all!
In a few days (namely 2024-05-24), the SSL certificate on https://www.softwarecollections.org will expire, and I do not plan to renew it. The reason is simple: both RHEL and CentOS 7 are at least approaching their End-of-Life, and with them, most of the Software Collections RPMs as well.
Hi, is the following possible for the next ~45 days? until CentOS 7 is EOL?
1. Get a letsencrypt certificate for this website as most browsers will not load the site if the cert is bad or non-existent. 2. Put the information that this project is end of lifed and why it is on the website? 3. Put any information on how to continue working on this for interested people?
Thank you for all your work on this over the years.
The website itself will stay up for at least few months, in case anyone really needs it for something. Given that the contents are mostly out of date (which is my fault, it was on the backlog so far it fell off), the only relevant part that I can think of is the SCL packaging guide [1]. If you will have a need of it in the future, let me point you to it's sources [2], which should be kept up to date.
I guess that's it. See you somewhere else someday!
Jan Staněk Software Engineer, Red Hat jstanek@redhat.com irc: jstanek _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.centos.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@lists.centos.org
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Stephen Smoogen ssmoogen@redhat.com writes:
Hi, is the following possible for the next ~45 days? until CentOS 7 is EOL?
- Get a letsencrypt certificate for this website as most browsers will not
load the site if the cert is bad or non-existent.
Not easily. The cluster is not setup to handle the LE dance itself (IIRC), and I do not have edit access to the DNS records. Migrating to LE would be a significant amount of work, which I do not see as being of value.
- Put the information that this project is end of lifed and why it is on
the website?
I probably should do that; however I'm swamped by other $work, so that likely will not happen before the certificate dies.
- Put any information on how to continue working on this for interested
people?
That was kind of the point of this ML thread.
In case you want to help and chime in, the source code for the website is at [1]; PRs welcome.
[1]: https://github.com/sclorg/softwarecollections -- Jan Staněk Software Engineer, Red Hat jstanek@redhat.com irc: jstanek
On Thu, 23 May 2024 at 09:43, Jan Staněk jstanek@redhat.com wrote:
// Now with properly configured MUA, // so the messages actually arrive to the ML.
Stephen Smoogen ssmoogen@redhat.com writes:
Hi, is the following possible for the next ~45 days? until CentOS 7 is
EOL?
- Get a letsencrypt certificate for this website as most browsers will
not
load the site if the cert is bad or non-existent.
Not easily. The cluster is not setup to handle the LE dance itself (IIRC), and I do not have edit access to the DNS records. Migrating to LE would be a significant amount of work, which I do not see as being of value.
- Put the information that this project is end of lifed and why it is on
the website?
I probably should do that; however I'm swamped by other $work, so that likely will not happen before the certificate dies.
- Put any information on how to continue working on this for interested
people?
That was kind of the point of this ML thread.
In case you want to help and chime in, the source code for the website is at [1]; PRs welcome.
that I can help with. Will get you a PR asap
-- Jan Staněk Software Engineer, Red Hat jstanek@redhat.com irc: jstanek _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.centos.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@lists.centos.org
As a follow-up to some of the questions raised on this thread, few points from the top of my mind.
1. Responses to this announcement is the most activity I have witnessed around SCLs for years; while it is heartwarming that someone still cares, sudden flurry of activity is not enough by itself to convince me to dedicate more time to it than I already have.
2. That being said, the source for the website is on GitHub [1]. If anyone is willing to start working on it, I'm willing to review and merge PRs and/or review alternative hosting solutions.
[1]: https://github.com/sclorg/softwarecollections
Corporate gods willing, if someone actually picks up the slack, I will try to push internally to just point the domain on whatever hosting that persons spins up. I cannot promise anything (not a lawyer, not really though this through, etc.), but I would try to push for that move.
Thanks to everyone who voiced their support and provided suggestions on how to not just let the website die. I do appreciate it, even if I currently have nor time nor willpower to actually implement any of them. -- Jan Staněk Software Engineer, Red Hat jstanek@redhat.com irc: jstanek
On Thu, 23 May 2024 at 09:57, Jan Staněk jstanek@redhat.com wrote:
As a follow-up to some of the questions raised on this thread, few points from the top of my mind.
- Responses to this announcement is the most activity I have witnessed around SCLs for years; while it is heartwarming that someone still cares, sudden flurry of activity is not enough by itself to convince me to dedicate more time to it than I already have.
That is completely understood. People who need this will need to fork-lift and take over work themselves.
That being said, the source for the website is on GitHub [1]. If anyone is willing to start working on it, I'm willing to review and merge PRs and/or review alternative hosting solutions.
Corporate gods willing, if someone actually picks up the slack, I will try to push internally to just point the domain on whatever hosting that persons spins up. I cannot promise anything (not a lawyer, not really though this through, etc.), but I would try to push for that move.
Thanks to everyone who voiced their support and provided suggestions on how to not just let the website die. I do appreciate it, even if I currently have nor time nor willpower to actually implement any of them.
Thank you for the work you and everyone else have done on this over the years. I know it was a hard slog but the solution was good for many people.
-- Jan Staněk Software Engineer, Red Hat jstanek@redhat.com irc: jstanek _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.centos.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@lists.centos.org
On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 6:57 AM Jan Staněk jstanek@redhat.com wrote:
As a follow-up to some of the questions raised on this thread, few points from the top of my mind.
Responses to this announcement is the most activity I have witnessed around SCLs for years; while it is heartwarming that someone still cares, sudden flurry of activity is not enough by itself to convince me to dedicate more time to it than I already have.
That being said, the source for the website is on GitHub [1]. If anyone is willing to start working on it, I'm willing to review and merge PRs and/or review alternative hosting solutions.
Corporate gods willing, if someone actually picks up the slack, I will try to push internally to just point the domain on whatever hosting that persons spins up. I cannot promise anything (not a lawyer, not really though this through, etc.), but I would try to push for that move.
The OSU Open Source Lab can probably provide hosting for this assuming it can be contained easily in a container. But if not, I'm sure we can come up with something. Feel free to fill out this form [1] and we can go from there if you do get approval. We already provide hosting for other related projects.
[1] https://osuosl.org/request-hosting/
Thanks to everyone who voiced their support and provided suggestions on how to not just let the website die. I do appreciate it, even if I currently have nor time nor willpower to actually implement any of them. -- Jan Staněk Software Engineer, Red Hat jstanek@redhat.com irc: jstanek _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.centos.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@lists.centos.org
The website is containerized. However, the main issue is not with the hosting (that only makes the certificate management not ideal), but it's the fact I do not see a reason (and not really want) to keep it around for much longer. The certificate expiration *almost* coinciding with the project EOL was just the prompt for me to share the status and news.
Thanks for the offer, though! -- Jan Staněk Software Engineer, Red Hat jstanek@redhat.com irc: jstanek
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