Hi Guys,
There has been some work going on with the CentOS-5 Artwork stuff on the wiki ( url : http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork ). Now is the time when we are asking for more feedback and larger community involvement.
Also, I want to make sure that people understand we are not limited to using only one set of the artwork. We would need to use one default, but further sets might get added into the artwork packages for post install user options.
- KB
On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 21:36 +0000, Karanbir Singh wrote:
Hi Guys,
There has been some work going on with the CentOS-5 Artwork stuff on the wiki ( url : http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork ). Now is the time when we are asking for more feedback and larger community involvement.
Also, I want to make sure that people understand we are not limited to using only one set of the artwork. We would need to use one default, but further sets might get added into the artwork packages for post install user options.
- KB
I would like to say that I like all the items posted there so far, and I am of the opinion that all the backgrounds should be included as backgrounds ... we now need some pointers, window borders and other theme items.
That is my take :)
Johnny Hughes wrote:
On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 21:36 +0000, Karanbir Singh wrote:
Hi Guys,
There has been some work going on with the CentOS-5 Artwork stuff on the wiki ( url : http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork ). Now is the time when we are asking for more feedback and larger community involvement.
Also, I want to make sure that people understand we are not limited to using only one set of the artwork. We would need to use one default, but further sets might get added into the artwork packages for post install user options.
- KB
I would like to say that I like all the items posted there so far, and I am of the opinion that all the backgrounds should be included as backgrounds ... we now need some pointers, window borders and other theme items.
Me also :) But better pick one official theme and remove the others. Centos is a server anyway, most Centos boxes are in text only or even headless :)
--beast
Beast wrote:
But better pick one official theme and remove the others. Centos is a server anyway, most Centos boxes are in text only or even headless :)
Except the workstations running with CentOS }:->
My Choice would be 1, 3 and the one from Brian Schuler (are you reading here?) in no particular order.
Ralph
On Sat, 2007-01-13 at 07:58 +0100, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Beast wrote:
But better pick one official theme and remove the others. Centos is a server anyway, most Centos boxes are in text only or even headless :)
Except the workstations running with CentOS }:->
CentOS 5 will probably be the best "workstation" version so far.
My Choice would be 1, 3 and the one from Brian Schuler (are you reading here?) in no particular order.
I like the blues in 2 (Line Art) and the look of 4 (flying cubes). I think 2 would be better if Logo was replace with the Logo & Text from 3 with the same approximate positioning also. Hmmm 4 would also make a decent GDM background if the Logo & Text was dropped and was used as the logo image (assuming the graphical GDM looks like the current one in 4.4).
As for mine, it's OK, could be better. :) Been several years since I've worked on making desktop backgrounds, and I'm new to vector & Inkscape.
Paul
Paul wrote:
As for mine, it's OK, could be better. :) Been several years since I've worked on making desktop backgrounds, and I'm new to vector & Inkscape.
I really like your Nr. 4.
Suggestions for a Nr. 5:
Make the "5" somewhat smaller, move the logo and the text a bit further to the right and move the complete stripe in the middle to the middle of the lower third of the picture:
------------------------------ | | | | | | | | | | |____________________________| |____________________________| | | ------------------------------
I'd just like to see how that looks. I don't really like backgrounds which have "the information" in the middle of the screen, as that tends to be the place where the windows are.
Cheers,
Ralph
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Paul wrote:
As for mine, it's OK, could be better. :) Been several years since I've worked on making desktop backgrounds, and I'm new to vector & Inkscape.
Suggestions for a Nr. 5:
I really do like that :)
Thanks,
Ralph
On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 17:52 -0600, Johnny Hughes wrote:
On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 21:36 +0000, Karanbir Singh wrote:
Hi Guys,
There has been some work going on with the CentOS-5 Artwork stuff on the wiki ( url : http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork ). Now is the time when we are asking for more feedback and larger community involvement.
Also, I want to make sure that people understand we are not limited to using only one set of the artwork. We would need to use one default, but further sets might get added into the artwork packages for post install user options.
- KB
I would like to say that I like all the items posted there so far, and I am of the opinion that all the backgrounds should be included as backgrounds ... we now need some pointers, window borders and other theme items.
Is the default window manager theme still Bluecurve upstream?
I personally like the Clearlooks theme, maybe changing that to the default is a good way to go.
Regards, Paul
Paul wrote:
Is the default window manager theme still Bluecurve upstream?
I personally like the Clearlooks theme, maybe changing that to the default is a good way to go.
In my experience Bluecurve is a lot faster on older systems, so please don't change it if it is the default.
With kind regards, Daniel de Kok
danieldk@pobox.com wrote:
Paul wrote:
Is the default window manager theme still Bluecurve upstream?
I personally like the Clearlooks theme, maybe changing that to the default is a good way to go.
In my experience Bluecurve is a lot faster on older systems, so please don't change it if it is the default.
bluecurve is indeed the default, and will stay so
Karanbir Singh wrote:
Hi Guys,
There has been some work going on with the CentOS-5 Artwork stuff on the wiki ( url : http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork ). Now is the time when we are asking for more feedback and larger community involvement.
Also, I want to make sure that people understand we are not limited to using only one set of the artwork. We would need to use one default, but further sets might get added into the artwork packages for post install user options.
- KB
Hi all,
Firstly my apologies if this is deemed to be off-topic or the wrong place to post this. I'm new to the devel list and have made a few mistakes so far because I don't fully understand whats OK to say in which particular list, forum or room.
Backgrounds: I've have constantly got frustrated with having to use a manual approach to find or identify a workstation/server connected to a KVM. Machine identification is often done by looking for a handwritten label stuck on the kvm itself or by using the menu on the kvm (which has to be updated manually).
1) Most individuals and organizations that I've worked with solve this problem by creating a background for each server by hand with the name of the server in a text box on a plain solid background. I have often wondered if a cron job and a command line tool could generate this automatically for each server. This hostname alone would be would be great, but other useful info such as free disk space or ip address would be possible to show too.
2) My other comment would be that if vnc or remote desktop were ever to be used on the machine then having a background using more than 8-bit color kills performance substantially.
Again, sorry if this was the wrong place to post. Please bear with me I'm trying to become a good CentOS citizen.
Jason_Meers
On Sun, January 14, 2007 4:51 pm, Jason_Meers wrote:
- Most individuals and organizations that I've worked with solve this
problem by creating a background for each server by hand with the name of the server in a text box on a plain solid background.
/etc/issue ?
- My other comment would be that if vnc or remote desktop were ever to
be used on the machine then having a background using more than 8-bit color kills performance substantially.
I dont think it is realistic to design a good background in 2006 that uses 8-bit colors. Just kill your background :).
-- Daniel
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- Most individuals and organizations that I've worked with solve this
problem by creating a background for each server by hand with the name of the server in a text box on a plain solid background. I have often wondered if a cron job and a command line tool could generate this automatically for each server. This hostname alone would be would be great, but other useful info such as free disk space or ip address would be possible to show too.
Actually the default logins (text mode and gdm) both show the hostname. Don't tell me you leave logged in sessions.
Chris
Christoph Maser wrote:
Actually the default logins (text mode and gdm) both show the hostname. Don't tell me you leave logged in sessions.
No not normally, only on a few specific machines on the LAN that are only accessible from another machine on the LAN.
1) Not all backup software has usable command line tools, so sometimes you have to connect the a GUI on a logged in session.
2) If you look at the way remote desktop(vino-server) and vnc work it is impossible to remote control the session if the machine is not already logged in (the session doesn't exist). Some dirty workarounds do exist i.e the machine uses gnome session, but vnc uses a kde session to avoid various conflicts.
I reported this to the vino developers in august last year: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352349
--snip-- Is it possible in any current or future releases of vino to connect to the machine while it is sat at the login screen?
I currently have to setup an auto-login with an unpriviledged user after a period of time from the login screen, or physically go to the computer to log-in then go back to my desk to remote control it.
Auto-logins as another user, or having to walk to the computer first to enable remote control would seem to be self-defeating --snip--
At the risk of going further off-topic I wont say anymore on this aspect.
Jason_Meers
Jason_Meers spake the following on 1/14/2007 10:38 AM:
Christoph Maser wrote:
Actually the default logins (text mode and gdm) both show the hostname. Don't tell me you leave logged in sessions.
No not normally, only on a few specific machines on the LAN that are only accessible from another machine on the LAN.
- Not all backup software has usable command line tools, so sometimes
you have to connect the a GUI on a logged in session.
- If you look at the way remote desktop(vino-server) and vnc work it is
impossible to remote control the session if the machine is not already logged in (the session doesn't exist). Some dirty workarounds do exist i.e the machine uses gnome session, but vnc uses a kde session to avoid various conflicts.
I have to disagree. I have a couple of servers that only boot to a level 3 login screen, but I can use vnc to these servers with no problems. The local terminal rarely gets logged into unless I am using the CDrom drive to load or fix something. The vnc service does log in to a user account, but you can fix it to work off xinetd, and block it from being accessed from outside.
- If you look at the way remote desktop(vino-server) and vnc work it is
impossible to remote control the session if the machine is not already logged in (the session doesn't exist). Some dirty workarounds do exist i.e the machine uses gnome session, but vnc uses a kde session to avoid various conflicts.
I have to disagree. I have a couple of servers that only boot to a level 3 login screen, but I can use vnc to these servers with no problems. The local terminal rarely gets logged into unless I am using the CDrom drive to load or fix something. The vnc service does log in to a user account, but you can fix it to work off xinetd, and block it from being accessed from outside.
Ok your right.
If you can run in runlevel 3 all the time and never need the graphical environment for backup, management or configuration tools you will never have a conflict between a local gnome session and another gnome session used by vnc. Your solution works perfectly well here.
However if you need to be able to provide a graphical session at the console and a graphical session through vnc, the possibility for a conflict still does exists. In this situation pauls xorg-vnc suggestion would seem to be the answer.
I will test both methods this weekend and write up a howto for the wiki.
If Paul and Scott have anything they want to add, please mail me off list with the details and I'll follow your instructions on a clean 4.4 box. If I get chance I'll compare xrdp too.
Thanks Jason_Meers
Ok your right.
If you can run in runlevel 3 all the time and never need the graphical environment for backup, management or configuration tools you will never have a conflict between a local gnome session and another gnome session used by vnc. Your solution works perfectly well here.
However if you need to be able to provide a graphical session at the console and a graphical session through vnc, the possibility for a conflict still does exists. In this situation pauls xorg-vnc suggestion would seem to be the answer.
I will test both methods this weekend and write up a howto for the wiki.
If Paul and Scott have anything they want to add, please mail me off list with the details and I'll follow your instructions on a clean 4.4 box. If I get chance I'll compare xrdp too.
Thanks Jason_Meers
Karanbir Singh пишет:
Hi Guys,
There has been some work going on with the CentOS-5 Artwork stuff on the wiki ( url : http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork ). Now is the time when we are asking for more feedback and larger community involvement.
Also, I want to make sure that people understand we are not limited to using only one set of the artwork. We would need to use one default, but further sets might get added into the artwork packages for post install user options.
- KB
Hi!
Mockup 1: Blurry cubes:
Very good, but glow around logo seems excessive
Mockup 2: Line Art:
I'm trying to make same with slightly dim logo (in this, I think, it too contrast)
Mockup 3: CentOS Banner:
Very good, but, I think, "CentOS 5" text better change from white (with black contour? -- hard to see) to purple (may be brighter) from new logo with white contour (thicker then current black (?)). Same to next artworks.
Mockup 4: Flying cubes:
Attractive (with coment above about text)
Mockup(s) submitted by Brian
Change logo to new "shine"?
Mockup 1 (Paul Berger)
Hm...
Mockup 2 (Paul Berger)
Wow! Excellent! May be applying same as in "Mockup 3: CentOS Banner:", but it very good too.
Mockup 3 - Peaceful Clouds - Blur - Olify - Blur in gimp (Paul Berger)
Mmmm... Too usual?
Mockup 4 - Combining 2 & 3 (Paul Berger)
Good as mockup 2, but text really need increasing contrast.
Ken Simons
On Tue, 2007-01-16 at 10:46 +0300, Ken wrote:
Karanbir Singh пишет:
Hi Guys,
There has been some work going on with the CentOS-5 Artwork stuff on the wiki ( url : http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork ). Now is the time when we are asking for more feedback and larger community involvement.
Also, I want to make sure that people understand we are not limited to using only one set of the artwork. We would need to use one default, but further sets might get added into the artwork packages for post install user options.
- KB
Hi!
Mockup 1: Blurry cubes:
Very good, but glow around logo seems excessive
Mockup 2: Line Art:
I'm trying to make same with slightly dim logo (in this, I think, it too contrast)
Mockup 3: CentOS Banner:
Very good, but, I think, "CentOS 5" text better change from white (with black contour? -- hard to see) to purple (may be brighter) from new logo with white contour (thicker then current black (?)). Same to next artworks.
Mockup 4: Flying cubes:
Attractive (with coment above about text)
Mockup(s) submitted by Brian
Change logo to new "shine"?
Mockup 1 (Paul Berger)
Hm...
I agree ... it's the one I like least of all the backgrounds submitted, and it's mine.
Mockup 2 (Paul Berger)
Wow! Excellent! May be applying same as in "Mockup 3: CentOS Banner:", but it very good too.
On my wife's system there are some banding issues with it, not horribly bad. A solid background might be better and moved down to the bottom like Ralf had suggested earlier.
Mockup 3 - Peaceful Clouds - Blur - Olify - Blur in gimp (Paul Berger)
Mmmm... Too usual?
Been using a widescreen version of it as my background, it works well by being somewhat interesting, but not distracting from the icons & text on the desktop. Not happy about the shape of the 5, maybe it would be better without it, or at least in a different font.
Mockup 4 - Combining 2 & 3 (Paul Berger)
Good as mockup 2, but text really need increasing contrast.
Made mockup 5 based on mockup 4 moving the logo & image bar down to the bottom 1/4 and used a darker section of the cloud image. Similar banding issues on 4 & 5 on my wife's system.
Regards, Paul Berger
I don't know what is involved, but I am requesting wide screen support for the background. My TV runs CentOS-4 but it's 15:9 aspect means that by default, the centos logo is stretched sideways.
Perhaps the answer is with gnome (or whatever draws the background) to have a 'stretch but maintain aspect' mode.
John.
Karanbir Singh wrote:
Hi Guys,
There has been some work going on with the CentOS-5 Artwork stuff on the wiki ( url : http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork ). Now is the time when we are asking for more feedback and larger community involvement.
Also, I want to make sure that people understand we are not limited to using only one set of the artwork. We would need to use one default, but further sets might get added into the artwork packages for post install user options.
- KB
On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 12:31 +1100, John Newbigin wrote:
I don't know what is involved, but I am requesting wide screen support for the background. My TV runs CentOS-4 but it's 15:9 aspect means that by default, the centos logo is stretched sideways.
Perhaps the answer is with gnome (or whatever draws the background) to have a 'stretch but maintain aspect' mode.
Then you want Style: Scaled or Style: Zoom to streach the wallpaper fit the wallpaper rather than Style: Fill Screen.
At least that's what it's in FC6 ... I think C4 has the same options.
Paul
On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 12:31 +1100, John Newbigin wrote:
I don't know what is involved, but I am requesting wide screen support for the background. My TV runs CentOS-4 but it's 15:9 aspect means that by default, the centos logo is stretched sideways.
Perhaps the answer is with gnome (or whatever draws the background) to have a 'stretch but maintain aspect' mode.
As you bring up more people are using 16:9 or 16:10 displays ... there should be a version of the default wallpaper for that and possibly dual displays.
Paul
Paul wrote:
On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 12:31 +1100, John Newbigin wrote:
I don't know what is involved, but I am requesting wide screen support for the background. My TV runs CentOS-4 but it's 15:9 aspect means that by default, the centos logo is stretched sideways.
Perhaps the answer is with gnome (or whatever draws the background) to have a 'stretch but maintain aspect' mode.
As you bring up more people are using 16:9 or 16:10 displays ... there should be a version of the default wallpaper for that and possibly dual displays.
in the final artwork, we want the 1680x1050 and 1920x1200 modes as well :)
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