Well, there you have it.
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On Sat, 2008-10-11 at 04:06 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
There's no lead time for your own local development and testing. You would never expect one of the old RH X.0 releases to be production-ready but the new releases would have new kernels, libraries, and utilities so you could incorporate their features in your own work, which was likely to proceed at approximately the same rate as the distro evolved toward stability. With Centos you don't get anything to work with and test ahead of time, and if you'd tested on an earlier Fedora there may or may not be any relationship. A side effect was that the community of RH users that reported/fixed bugs in the X.0 got something for their effort in being able to continue using the updated release instead of being abandoned as a wildly new X.0 came out.
CentOS should be putting out betas that match the RHEL betas so that you can get access to it before the release. Use Fedora as the technology driver, use Betas as the bugfix cleanup for platform issues, and eventually you get the "Enterprise" release.
Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote:
Well, there you have it.
Damn, faster than I was.
-------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Jesse Keating jkeating@redhat.com CentOS should be putting out betas that match the RHEL betas so that you can get access to it before the release. Use Fedora as the technology driver, use Betas as the bugfix cleanup for platform issues, and eventually you get the "Enterprise" release.
Publically(sp?) available SRPMs for betas aren't available, AFAIR.
Ralph
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Ralph Angenendt ra+centos@br-online.de wrote:
Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote:
Well, there you have it.
Damn, faster than I was.
-------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Jesse Keating jkeating@redhat.com CentOS should be putting out betas that match the RHEL betas so that you can get access to it before the release. Use Fedora as the technology driver, use Betas as the bugfix cleanup for platform issues, and eventually you get the "Enterprise" release.
Publically(sp?) available SRPMs for betas aren't available, AFAIR.
Actually they have been but the additional licenses on distribution of parts of it have been a problem. I think there was a beta of CentOS-5 out. However the time it took to get out 5 final was ready.
Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Ralph Angenendt
Publically(sp?) available SRPMs for betas aren't available, AFAIR.
Actually they have been but the additional licenses on distribution of parts of it have been a problem. I think there was a beta of CentOS-5 out.
I'm rather sure that those weren't rebuilt from sources from ftp.redhat.com.
Ralph
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Ralph Angenendt ra+centos@br-online.de wrote:
Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Ralph Angenendt
Publically(sp?) available SRPMs for betas aren't available, AFAIR.
Actually they have been but the additional licenses on distribution of parts of it have been a problem. I think there was a beta of CentOS-5 out.
I'm rather sure that those weren't rebuilt from sources from ftp.redhat.com.
I have no idea.. but thought that the usual reasons is that with a long list of tasks.. jumping to build betas falls behind real life.
Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote:
CentOS should be putting out betas that match the RHEL betas so that you can get access to it before the release. Use Fedora as the technology driver, use Betas as the bugfix cleanup for platform issues, and eventually you get the "Enterprise" release.
We do put out major release beta's. There was a CentOS-4/beta as well as a CentOS-5/Beta.
Point releases's dont have public release upstream, which is why we dont get them, and we cant release them. If Redhat was to make those beta's public, we'd be more than happy to churn them out to the public.
And thats not only for the 'Distro', but also 'add on' stuff like the WebStack, MRG, IPA etc.
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Karanbir Singh mail-lists@karan.org wrote:
Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote:
CentOS should be putting out betas that match the RHEL betas so that you can get access to it before the release. Use Fedora as the technology driver, use Betas as the bugfix cleanup for platform issues, and eventually you get the "Enterprise" release.
We do put out major release beta's. There was a CentOS-4/beta as well as a CentOS-5/Beta.
Point releases's dont have public release upstream, which is why we dont get them, and we cant release them. If Redhat was to make those beta's public, we'd be more than happy to churn them out to the public.
My apologies for presenting a different view. I mis-thought that it was due to a lack of time/other resources to do beta's versus public release upstream.
And thats not only for the 'Distro', but also 'add on' stuff like the WebStack, MRG, IPA etc.
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