Folks,
Redhat has released RHEL 8.3 for the general public last week so curious when CentOS 8.3 is coming out for the public?
~S
On 11/9/20 11:39 PM, Satish Patel wrote:
Folks,
Redhat has released RHEL 8.3 for the general public last week so curious when CentOS 8.3 is coming out for the public?
As always .. it will come out when it is done.
We have no idea how long that will take until we finish it .. them we'll know.
Il giorno mer 11 nov 2020 alle ore 15:31 Johnny Hughes johnny@centos.org ha scritto:
On 11/9/20 11:39 PM, Satish Patel wrote:
Folks,
Redhat has released RHEL 8.3 for the general public last week so curious when CentOS 8.3 is coming out for the public?
As always .. it will come out when it is done.
We have no idea how long that will take until we finish it .. them we'll know.
Thanks for your hard work on this. Just a question on the technical side: weren't CentOS 8.3 packages already built once for CentOS Stream in the past? It should reduce the amount of packages to be rebuilt right?
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On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sandro Bonazzola sbonazzo@redhat.com wrote:
Il giorno mer 11 nov 2020 alle ore 15:31 Johnny Hughes johnny@centos.org ha scritto:
On 11/9/20 11:39 PM, Satish Patel wrote:
Folks,
Redhat has released RHEL 8.3 for the general public last week so curious when CentOS 8.3 is coming out for the public?
As always .. it will come out when it is done.
We have no idea how long that will take until we finish it .. them we'll know.
Thanks for your hard work on this. Just a question on the technical side: weren't CentOS 8.3 packages already built once for CentOS Stream in the past? It should reduce the amount of packages to be rebuilt right?
Looking at it, yes. Testing all of them together, especially packages that were only just published for RHEL 8.3 and resolving any conflicts or teasing out RHEL trademarks or artwork for CentOS use cna take extra work. And Red Hat has, on a number of occasions, kept necessary build tools for published software internal and not included it in their published software layout, which CentOS has had to resolve. (quota-devel for building Samba on CentOS 8 was my personal favorite, since "quota" was available in the BaseOS but the compile time requirement quota-devel was specifically excluded in the OS distribution, and only later published in a 'devel" channel.
Working around that kind of chicanery takes time and extra effort. Also, the use of "Modularity" has destabilized the upgrade dependency chains for packages that *I* build personally, I can only imagine the fun and games when upgrading hundreds of packages en masse.
On 11/12/20 4:23 AM, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
Il giorno mer 11 nov 2020 alle ore 15:31 Johnny Hughes <johnny@centos.org mailto:johnny@centos.org> ha scritto:
On 11/9/20 11:39 PM, Satish Patel wrote: > Folks, > > Redhat has released RHEL 8.3 for the general public last week so > curious when CentOS 8.3 is coming out for the public? > As always .. it will come out when it is done. We have no idea how long that will take until we finish it .. them we'll know.Thanks for your hard work on this. Just a question on the technical side: weren't CentOS 8.3 packages already built once for CentOS Stream in the past? It should reduce the amount of packages to be rebuilt right?
For most of them, yes. Some are new. Should be faster than in the past.
On 11/12/20 4:23 AM, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
Il giorno mer 11 nov 2020 alle ore 15:31 Johnny Hughes <johnny@centos.org mailto:johnny@centos.org> ha scritto:
On 11/9/20 11:39 PM, Satish Patel wrote: > Folks, > > Redhat has released RHEL 8.3 for the general public last week so > curious when CentOS 8.3 is coming out for the public? > As always .. it will come out when it is done. We have no idea how long that will take until we finish it .. themwe'll know.
Thanks for your hard work on this. Just a question on the technical side: weren't CentOS 8.3 packages already built once for CentOS Stream in the past? It should reduce the amount of packages to be rebuilt right?
For most of them, yes. Some are new. Should be faster than in the past.
While we are at it, I was always wondering about reproducible builds. From what I understand RHEL is not reproducible, otherwise most packages of CentOS should be identical with the RedHat packages, right?
Wouldn't it be a security improvement if RHEL builds were 100% reproducible? Or do I miss something here?
Regards, Simon
On 12/11/20 10:41, Simon Matter wrote:
On 11/12/20 4:23 AM, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
Il giorno mer 11 nov 2020 alle ore 15:31 Johnny Hughes <johnny@centos.org mailto:johnny@centos.org> ha scritto:
On 11/9/20 11:39 PM, Satish Patel wrote: > Folks, > > Redhat has released RHEL 8.3 for the general public last week so > curious when CentOS 8.3 is coming out for the public? > As always .. it will come out when it is done. We have no idea how long that will take until we finish it .. themwe'll know.
Thanks for your hard work on this. Just a question on the technical side: weren't CentOS 8.3 packages already built once for CentOS Stream in the past? It should reduce the amount of packages to be rebuilt right?
For most of them, yes. Some are new. Should be faster than in the past.
While we are at it, I was always wondering about reproducible builds. From what I understand RHEL is not reproducible, otherwise most packages of CentOS should be identical with the RedHat packages, right?
Right, RHEL is not reproducible, but even if it were, nothing indicates that CentOS builds should be identical for different reasons 1) RHEL sort of accumulates builds and then dumps them for point release, so we have no way to replicate the exact environment in which the build was produced. 2) Debranding, some of our debranding might affect things
Wouldn't it be a security improvement if RHEL builds were 100% reproducible? Or do I miss something here?
You're not missing anything, it would be a big security improvement, not enough, but still much better.
Regards, Simon
Pablo.
On 11/12/20 8:14 AM, Pablo Sebastián Greco wrote:
On 12/11/20 10:41, Simon Matter wrote:
On 11/12/20 4:23 AM, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
Il giorno mer 11 nov 2020 alle ore 15:31 Johnny Hughes <johnny@centos.org mailto:johnny@centos.org> ha scritto:
On 11/9/20 11:39 PM, Satish Patel wrote: > Folks, > > Redhat has released RHEL 8.3 for the general public last week so > curious when CentOS 8.3 is coming out for the public? >
As always .. it will come out when it is done.
We have no idea how long that will take until we finish it .. them we'll know.
Thanks for your hard work on this. Just a question on the technical side: weren't CentOS 8.3 packages already built once for CentOS Stream in the past? It should reduce the amount of packages to be rebuilt right?
For most of them, yes. Some are new. Should be faster than in the past.
While we are at it, I was always wondering about reproducible builds. From what I understand RHEL is not reproducible, otherwise most packages of CentOS should be identical with the RedHat packages, right?
Right, RHEL is not reproducible, but even if it were, nothing indicates that CentOS builds should be identical for different reasons
- RHEL sort of accumulates builds and then dumps them for point
release, so we have no way to replicate the exact environment in which the build was produced. 2) Debranding, some of our debranding might affect things
Wouldn't it be a security improvement if RHEL builds were 100% reproducible? Or do I miss something here?
You're not missing anything, it would be a big security improvement, not enough, but still much better.
It also depends on what you mean reproducible.
But no .. CentOS has never been the same as RHEL. There are 2 separate closed build systems and always have been.
The closed CentOS build system gets RELEASED content only. The close Red Hat build system can have many iterations of a package between two RELEASED packages that never get pushed. Those iterative packages are, however, used to build things that happen between actual released files. Therefore CentOS Linux content is NOT THE SAME AS RHEL. If you want RHEL .. buy RHEL.
As far as reproducible .. they COULD be, if you created a special config file that was exactly identical to the original build. We don't do that however. CentOS builds packages that get released today against the build system that exists today. We build what is released next week against the build system that exists next week.
So, if
On 11/12/20 9:49 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
On 11/12/20 8:14 AM, Pablo Sebastián Greco wrote:
On 12/11/20 10:41, Simon Matter wrote:
On 11/12/20 4:23 AM, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
Il giorno mer 11 nov 2020 alle ore 15:31 Johnny Hughes <johnny@centos.org mailto:johnny@centos.org> ha scritto:
On 11/9/20 11:39 PM, Satish Patel wrote: > Folks, > > Redhat has released RHEL 8.3 for the general public last week so > curious when CentOS 8.3 is coming out for the public? >
As always .. it will come out when it is done.
We have no idea how long that will take until we finish it .. them we'll know.
Thanks for your hard work on this. Just a question on the technical side: weren't CentOS 8.3 packages already built once for CentOS Stream in the past? It should reduce the amount of packages to be rebuilt right?
For most of them, yes. Some are new. Should be faster than in the past.
While we are at it, I was always wondering about reproducible builds. From what I understand RHEL is not reproducible, otherwise most packages of CentOS should be identical with the RedHat packages, right?
Right, RHEL is not reproducible, but even if it were, nothing indicates that CentOS builds should be identical for different reasons
- RHEL sort of accumulates builds and then dumps them for point
release, so we have no way to replicate the exact environment in which the build was produced. 2) Debranding, some of our debranding might affect things
Wouldn't it be a security improvement if RHEL builds were 100% reproducible? Or do I miss something here?
You're not missing anything, it would be a big security improvement, not enough, but still much better.
It also depends on what you mean reproducible.
But no .. CentOS has never been the same as RHEL. There are 2 separate closed build systems and always have been.
The closed CentOS build system gets RELEASED content only. The close Red Hat build system can have many iterations of a package between two RELEASED packages that never get pushed. Those iterative packages are, however, used to build things that happen between actual released files. Therefore CentOS Linux content is NOT THE SAME AS RHEL. If you want RHEL .. buy RHEL.
As far as reproducible .. they COULD be, if you created a special config file that was exactly identical to the original build. We don't do that however. CentOS builds packages that get released today against the build system that exists today. We build what is released next week against the build system that exists next week.
Hmm .. missing stuff,
So users need to verify CentOS meets their needs.
Greetings,
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Just a question on the technical side: weren't CentOS 8.3 packages already built once for CentOS Stream in the past? It should reduce the amount of packages to be rebuilt right?
My completely data-free guess on when CentOS 8.3 will be available is January 26th. Let's see how that pans out.
TYL,
Am 11.11.20 um 15:30 schrieb Johnny Hughes:
On 11/9/20 11:39 PM, Satish Patel wrote:
Folks,
Redhat has released RHEL 8.3 for the general public last week so curious when CentOS 8.3 is coming out for the public?
As always .. it will come out when it is done.
We have no idea how long that will take until we finish it .. them we'll know.
Until then, be aware of
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-- Leon
Greetings,
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