Hi Guys,
We've been looking at the idea of starting off local language lists starting with German, Spanish and Portuguese. These, since we have had people ask for lists and we feel there are people around who can help moderate and monitor.
While some work has already been done and there are already some ideas floating around, I'd like to ask everyone here on centos-devel what they think about this and if any suggestions they might have.
One thing that would be really good is if we can somehow create the environment for local language / regional centos support groups to get started, and then use that common pool to work with all associated resources ( eg, regional / language lists, wiki, web forums, related irc channels (?) etc )
- KB
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On Sat, Jan 20, 2007 at 06:34:31AM +0000, Karanbir Singh wrote:
Hi Guys,
We've been looking at the idea of starting off local language lists starting with German, Spanish and Portuguese. These, since we have had people ask for lists and we feel there are people around who can help moderate and monitor.
While some work has already been done and there are already some ideas floating around, I'd like to ask everyone here on centos-devel what they think about this and if any suggestions they might have.
One thing that would be really good is if we can somehow create the environment for local language / regional centos support groups to get started, and then use that common pool to work with all associated resources ( eg, regional / language lists, wiki, web forums, related irc channels (?) etc )
Well, let me speak for the portuguese speaking users.
An IRC channel would not work on this case. Conectiva used to have one, and it never worked as an idea.
The mailing list is, of course, the best channel. Mixing web forums and a mailing list is not something I particularly enjoy, since most people we be either on one of the other, and so we would be splitting our efforts (and audience).
So my guess would be list + wiki.
I can get some quite knowledgable portuguese speaking people to join the list and give a hand on helping answering questions, so we can get a good support base there. Most of them are linux professionals in one way or another (sysadmins, ISP owners/admins, consultants etc), and I'm sure they would be happy to subscribe to the list and both answer and ask questions.
My main concern is how to make people aware there lists exist.
On another issue, as Karan suggested earlier, I would like to subscribe to the idea of having a unified set of moderation rules for all lists/channels, so it can help the moderators. Having several moderators means, usually, having several ways of dealing with the same issues. If we can have a CentOS-way of handling the lists, that would be a very good thing.
Best Regards,
- -- Rodrigo Barbosa "Quid quid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur" "Be excellent to each other ..." - Bill & Ted (Wyld Stallyns)
Rodrigo Barbosa wrote:
My main concern is how to make people aware there lists exist.
Website. They also show on the listinfo page (lists.centos.org). How do people find out that the other mailing lists exist?
On another issue, as Karan suggested earlier, I would like to subscribe to the idea of having a unified set of moderation rules for all lists/channels, so it can help the moderators. Having several moderators means, usually, having several ways of dealing with the same issues. If we can have a CentOS-way of handling the lists, that would be a very good thing.
http://wiki.centos.org/GettingHelp/ListInfo/Policy - you are allowed to edit that page >:)
But yes, I think that this is a very good idea. I myself am trying to "man" a german speaking list for CentOS.
Cheers,
Ralph
Daniel de Kok wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
But yes, I think that this is a very good idea. I myself am trying to "man" a german speaking list for CentOS.
I have spotted quite a lot CentOS users in the Netherlands, so here's a +1 for a NL list.
So you just stepped up?
:)
Ralph
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Daniel de Kok wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
But yes, I think that this is a very good idea. I myself am trying to "man" a german speaking list for CentOS.
I have spotted quite a lot CentOS users in the Netherlands, so here's a +1 for a NL list.
So you just stepped up?
It seems so ;).
-- Daniel
On Sat, Jan 20, 2007 at 10:31:55PM +0100, Daniel de Kok wrote:
But yes, I think that this is a very good idea. I myself am trying to "man" a german speaking list for CentOS.
I have spotted quite a lot CentOS users in the Netherlands, so here's a +1 for a NL list.
As to me personally, I'd be much more inclined to write a reply to a user asking "How do I compile a kernel?" than a user asking "Hoe compileer ik een kernel?", because I know that the time spent on answering the former question will potentially benefit many more people than the time spent on answering the latter question.
And I think that finding Dutch people that don't speak English well is so unlikely (I don't know any, at least) that I wouldn't be inclined to help people in Dutch.
(I don't know how other people feel about this, YMMV, etc.)
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007, Lennert Buytenhek wrote:
And I think that finding Dutch people that don't speak English well is so unlikely (I don't know any, at least) that I wouldn't be inclined to help people in Dutch.
I know of enough people who don't use English lists, because there are two barriers (level of expertise and non-native language). I buy your argument for books and documentation, but not for discussion lists :^).
-- Daniel
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On Sat, Jan 20, 2007 at 10:45:10PM +0100, Lennert Buytenhek wrote:
On Sat, Jan 20, 2007 at 10:31:55PM +0100, Daniel de Kok wrote:
But yes, I think that this is a very good idea. I myself am trying to "man" a german speaking list for CentOS.
I have spotted quite a lot CentOS users in the Netherlands, so here's a +1 for a NL list.
As to me personally, I'd be much more inclined to write a reply to a user asking "How do I compile a kernel?" than a user asking "Hoe compileer ik een kernel?", because I know that the time spent on answering the former question will potentially benefit many more people than the time spent on answering the latter question.
And I think that finding Dutch people that don't speak English well is so unlikely (I don't know any, at least) that I wouldn't be inclined to help people in Dutch.
I think people that don't speak english should stay VERY far away from computers. But, unfortunatelly, around here, most people don't :(
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- -- Rodrigo Barbosa "Quid quid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur" "Be excellent to each other ..." - Bill & Ted (Wyld Stallyns)
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Rodrigo Barbosa schrieb:
I think people that don't speak english should stay VERY far away from computers.
Really so humans should adapt to machines and you don't want to make tech in general more usable to humans?
Back top topic: I volunteer to help in all german forums.
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Note: I'm a subscriber, so reply only to the list, please.
On Sun, Jan 21, 2007 at 11:50:17AM +0100, Christoph Maser wrote:
Rodrigo Barbosa schrieb:
I think people that don't speak english should stay VERY far away from computers.
Really so humans should adapt to machines and you don't want to make tech in general more usable to humans?
Making tech in general more usable to humans, for me, is done by improving the human side, not by lowering the tech side of the scales.
That is why I pay english classes for my employees.
- -- Rodrigo Barbosa "Quid quid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur" "Be excellent to each other ..." - Bill & Ted (Wyld Stallyns)
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Back top topic: I volunteer to help in all german forums.
I do for spanish mailling list, sadly I am not good at all with web phorums :-(
cu roger
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Roger Peña Escobio wrote:
--- Christoph Maser cmr@financial.com wrote:
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Back top topic: I volunteer to help in all german forums.
I do for spanish mailling list, sadly I am not good at all with web phorums :-(
Hi
I can help with the spanish mailing list. But I think a Spanish Forum will be good as well.
As usual, many latin and spaniards preffer to read and communicate in Spanish, I think other languages as well. And I bet it will be a very effective way to reach a much more wider audience.
At the moment, I promote CentOS in www.ecualug.org and we have gathered a very nice group indeed of centos users around this site but I think a CentOS mailing list/forum in spanish will be VERY welcomed.
As for moderating a spanish list or helping with a spanish forum, please count on me for sure.
regards - -- Ing. Ernesto Pérez Estévez http://www.ecualinux.com USA: + 1 404 795 0321 Ecuador: (02)3412402 - (09) 9246504
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Roger PeXa Escobio wrote:
--- Christoph Maser cmr@financial.com wrote:
Back top topic: I volunteer to help in all german forums.
I do for spanish mailling list, sadly I am not good at all with web phorums :-(
At the moment we're only talking about mailing lists, not the web forums.
Regards,
Ralph
Lennert Buytenhek spake the following on 1/20/2007 1:45 PM:
On Sat, Jan 20, 2007 at 10:31:55PM +0100, Daniel de Kok wrote:
But yes, I think that this is a very good idea. I myself am trying to "man" a german speaking list for CentOS.
I have spotted quite a lot CentOS users in the Netherlands, so here's a +1 for a NL list.
As to me personally, I'd be much more inclined to write a reply to a user asking "How do I compile a kernel?" than a user asking "Hoe compileer ik een kernel?", because I know that the time spent on answering the former question will potentially benefit many more people than the time spent on answering the latter question.
And I think that finding Dutch people that don't speak English well is so unlikely (I don't know any, at least) that I wouldn't be inclined to help people in Dutch.
(I don't know how other people feel about this, YMMV, etc.)
Maybe the moderators can translate and pass on any good helps, or tougher problems that don't seem to get solved. With good moderators, there shouldn't be that much cross traffic. CentOS seems to have a very wide and varied user base.
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On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 08:35:51AM -0800, Scott Silva wrote:
Maybe the moderators can translate and pass on any good helps, or tougher problems that don't seem to get solved. With good moderators, there shouldn't be that much cross traffic. CentOS seems to have a very wide and varied user base.
Humm, I have nothing against it, as long it is not required the moderator do so. If we do stablish that as a policy, people willing to moderate will be even harder to find. I, for one, would not accept to moderate on that case, since I can't garantee I'll have the time to moderate AND translate the question AND hunt the answer AND translate the answer etc etc
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- -- Rodrigo Barbosa "Quid quid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur" "Be excellent to each other ..." - Bill & Ted (Wyld Stallyns)
Rodrigo Barbosa spake the following on 1/22/2007 9:11 AM:
On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 08:35:51AM -0800, Scott Silva wrote:
Maybe the moderators can translate and pass on any good helps, or tougher problems that don't seem to get solved. With good moderators, there shouldn't be that much cross traffic. CentOS seems to have a very wide and varied user base.
Humm, I have nothing against it, as long it is not required the moderator do so. If we do stablish that as a policy, people willing to moderate will be even harder to find. I, for one, would not accept to moderate on that case, since I can't garantee I'll have the time to moderate AND translate the question AND hunt the answer AND translate the answer etc etc
[]s
Not a requirement, but some questions might have to be passed up the chain to be answered. Or the poster will have to find translation and post on his own.
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On Sat, Jan 20, 2007 at 10:14:32PM +0100, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Rodrigo Barbosa wrote:
My main concern is how to make people aware there lists exist.
Website. They also show on the listinfo page (lists.centos.org). How do people find out that the other mailing lists exist?
I have no idea how other people do stuff. Heck, I barely know how I do stuff myself :)
On another issue, as Karan suggested earlier, I would like to subscribe to the idea of having a unified set of moderation rules for all lists/channels, so it can help the moderators. Having several moderators means, usually, having several ways of dealing with the same issues. If we can have a CentOS-way of handling the lists, that would be a very good thing.
http://wiki.centos.org/GettingHelp/ListInfo/Policy - you are allowed to edit that page >:)
You ARE kidding, right ? I'm the one that will need a policy the most. I'm a very hardcore, dictator-like moderator; known to be so.
Some of the stuff people saw me write, more than one, on lists I moderate:
- - "My list, my rules" - - "You right to express yourself is subjected to my right to repress" - - "Since when is this a democracy ?"
which is all very well (and more than once welcome) on several places, but definitively not on a CentOS list. That is why, supposing I'll be moderating the pt_BR (or simply pt) list, I'll need the rules. Badly.
Gotta tell you the truth. I don't ENJOY being a moderator, taking responsibilities and all that. I do it because a lists needs a moderator, and even thou I don't enjoy it, I'm willing to, which is more than you can say for most subscribers :( I do, on the other hand, love a well organized and well moderated list. So I try to do my part.
But yes, I think that this is a very good idea. I myself am trying to "man" a german speaking list for CentOS.
Sounds like fun :)
- -- Rodrigo Barbosa "Quid quid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur" "Be excellent to each other ..." - Bill & Ted (Wyld Stallyns)
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Rodrigo Barbosa wrote:
On another issue, as Karan suggested earlier, I would like to subscribe to the idea of having a unified set of moderation rules for all lists/channels, so it can help the moderators. Having several moderators means, usually, having several ways of dealing with the same issues. If we can have a CentOS-way of handling the lists, that would be a very good thing.
http://wiki.centos.org/GettingHelp/ListInfo/Policy - you are allowed to edit that page >:)
There's some not-so-preliminary stuff on that page now (thanks to Rodrigo for the biggest chunk of it), and we'd like to discuss the guidelines layed out on http://wiki.centos.org/GettingHelp/ListInfo/Policy right here now.
I'm mostly fine with what is on there, but please see the discussion points at the bottom of that page.
The first lists we're probably going to see are centos-de, centos-pt and centos-es - and if Daniel wants to run it centos-nl.
So go read that page and discuss now! :)
Regards,
Ralph
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
I'm mostly fine with what is on there, but please see the discussion points at the bottom of that page.
- Wrt. HTML e-mail, "strongly discouraged" sounds good to me. - Wrt. language vs regional: can someone comment how much e.g. pt_BR differs from pt_PT? Is it like US English and UK English, or do they differ to such an extend that it would be difficult to communicate on one list? I think it is a relevant "data point" for this discussion. - Policy for list moderators: I guess it should be clear what tasks and decisions are delegated to the list moderator.
The first lists we're probably going to see are centos-de, centos-pt and centos-es - and if Daniel wants to run it centos-nl.
Gerne :).
-- Daniel
On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 13:06 +0100, Daniel de Kok wrote: <snip>
Policy for list moderators: I guess it should be clear what tasks and decisions are delegated to the list moderator.
<snip>
Being that most of the Devels can't READ the lists in question, the main list moderator will have to do almost all the list functions.
Which is why we need to make sure that the moderator is a "highly trusted" person that understands the CentOS team's goals and philosophies.
The CentOS Development team will certainly be available via IRC and the main lists to answer policy questions (when will CentOS-5 be released, can we add the 2.6.18 kernel to CentOSPlus, etc.).
The list moderator will need to ask about items that they are unsure of ... but they will have the ability to bring in content from non- members and to unsubscribe users, etc.
We have never really deleted items that make it on the list (though we could in some cases, ie prono posted, lots of spam, etc.) ... so it is basically just policing the list, asking people to be nice, provide authoritative / official CentOS answers on the list, etc.
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, Johnny Hughes wrote:
On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 13:06 +0100, Daniel de Kok wrote:
<snip> > Policy for list moderators: I guess it should be clear what tasks and > decisions are delegated to the list moderator. <snip>
Being that most of the Devels can't READ the lists in question, the main list moderator will have to do almost all the list functions.
I agree - have posted to the wiki - dont want to repeat here :)
Lance
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On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 01:06:38PM +0100, Daniel de Kok wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
I'm mostly fine with what is on there, but please see the discussion points at the bottom of that page.
- Wrt. HTML e-mail, "strongly discouraged" sounds good to me.
Gotta hate HTML e-mails.
- Wrt. language vs regional: can someone comment how much e.g. pt_BR differs from pt_PT?
A lot.
Is it like US English and UK English, or do they differ to such an extend that it would be difficult to communicate on one list?
As a rule of thumb, a pt_BR speaker would have as much (or sometimes more) trouble communicating with someone who speaks pt_PT as with someone that speaks spanish.
Sometime even more, since there are words that are common, but with completely different meanings.
I think it is a relevant "data point" for this discussion.
True.
[]s
- -- Rodrigo Barbosa "Quid quid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur" "Be excellent to each other ..." - Bill & Ted (Wyld Stallyns)
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, Rodrigo Barbosa wrote:
- Wrt. language vs regional: can someone comment how much e.g. pt_BR differs from pt_PT?
A lot.
Is it like US English and UK English, or do they differ to such an extend that it would be difficult to communicate on one list?
As a rule of thumb, a pt_BR speaker would have as much (or sometimes more) trouble communicating with someone who speaks pt_PT as with someone that speaks spanish.
Sometime even more, since there are words that are common, but with completely different meanings.
I think it is a relevant "data point" for this discussion.
True.
Sounds like we need different lists for those then - what about different moderators ??
Lance
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On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 03:03:43PM +0000, Lance Davis wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, Rodrigo Barbosa wrote:
- Wrt. language vs regional: can someone comment how much e.g. pt_BR
differs from pt_PT?
A lot.
Is it like US English and UK English, or do they differ to such an extend that it would be difficult to communicate on one list?
As a rule of thumb, a pt_BR speaker would have as much (or sometimes more) trouble communicating with someone who speaks pt_PT as with someone that speaks spanish.
Sometime even more, since there are words that are common, but with completely different meanings.
I think it is a relevant "data point" for this discussion.
True.
Sounds like we need different lists for those then - what about different moderators ??
As I mentioned to Ralph on IRC, Brazil is the only country with a different portuguese language. So you have pt_BR for Brazil, and pt_PT for all the other portuguese speaking countries. So, if we are really going to have different lists, I suggest centos-br and centos-pt.
The problem is that I don't know how much traffic, if any, we are going to have on -pt on that setup. On the other hand, if we only have a -pt list, I think most brazilians will steer away from it.
In a nut shell, I have portuguese :)
- -- Rodrigo Barbosa "Quid quid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur" "Be excellent to each other ..." - Bill & Ted (Wyld Stallyns)
Rodrigo Barbosa wrote:
The problem is that I don't know how much traffic, if any, we are going to have on -pt on that setup. On the other hand, if we only have a -pt list, I think most brazilians will steer away from it.
In a nut shell, I have portuguese :)
s/v/t/ maybe? Or do you want to run (if so) both lists?
Ralph
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On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 04:30:26PM +0100, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Rodrigo Barbosa wrote:
The problem is that I don't know how much traffic, if any, we are going to have on -pt on that setup. On the other hand, if we only have a -pt list, I think most brazilians will steer away from it.
In a nut shell, I have portuguese :)
s/v/t/ maybe?
As usual, my typing skills are somewhat below par :)
Or do you want to run (if so) both lists?
Errr, no, thank you very much. Kind of you to ask, thou.
[]s
- -- Rodrigo Barbosa "Quid quid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur" "Be excellent to each other ..." - Bill & Ted (Wyld Stallyns)
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So, is this idea dead ? No traffic on the list regarding this issue, and no comments/update on the wiki pages on the last days.
Anyway still awake ? :)
Best regards,
- -- Rodrigo Barbosa "Quid quid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur" "Be excellent to each other ..." - Bill & Ted (Wyld Stallyns)
Rodrigo Barbosa wrote:
So, is this idea dead ?
No way! Just ironing out some creases.
I'd say: This month. And you're still put down as the one running centos-pt-br, so you're going to be one of the first to know.
No traffic on the list regarding this issue, and no comments/update on the wiki pages on the last days.
That has to be cleaned up and some stuff from the discussion here has to be added. I'll do that over the weekend. And I still have to talk to some prospective moderators.
Anyway still awake ? :)
Yes. But work tends to get in the way sometimes.
Ralph
Rodrigo Barbosa wrote:
So, is this idea dead ? No traffic on the list regarding this issue, and no comments/update on the wiki pages on the last days.
While you're here: I came to the conclusion, that it probably would be best to start out with only pt_BR (regarding portuguese, not other languages). So if anyone sees the need for a pt_!BR list, he/she will probably voice that need (at least I hope so).
What's your opinion on that?
Regards,
Ralph
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On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 11:32:34AM +0100, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Rodrigo Barbosa wrote:
So, is this idea dead ? No traffic on the list regarding this issue, and no comments/update on the wiki pages on the last days.
While you're here: I came to the conclusion, that it probably would be best to start out with only pt_BR (regarding portuguese, not other languages). So if anyone sees the need for a pt_!BR list, he/she will probably voice that need (at least I hope so).
What's your opinion on that?
Well, I already voice my opinion that at least 90% of the portuguese speaking members will be from Brazil. If not more numerous, brazilians are at least noiser. So yes, maybe starting with centos-br (or centos-pt-br), would be a good idea. If needed, we can branch it into another for pt_PT speaking people.
[]s
- -- Rodrigo Barbosa "Quid quid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur" "Be excellent to each other ..." - Bill & Ted (Wyld Stallyns)
Karanbir Singh wrote:
Hi Guys,
We've been looking at the idea of starting off local language lists starting with German, Spanish and Portuguese. These, since we have had people ask for lists and we feel there are people around who can help moderate and monitor.
I put "Release Candidate One" for the list policies on http://wiki.centos.org/GettingHelp/ListInfo/Policy. If anyone thinks, that something should be changed in there, please *do say* so. Otherwise I would put RC1 into production :)
Second Item:
I have put down the following people as list moderators:
- centos-pt-br (or centos-br): Rodrigo Barbosa rodrigob@darkover.org - centos-nl: Daniel de Kok danieldk@pobox.com - centos-cz: David Hrbáč hrbac.conf@seznam.cz - centos-fr: Tru from the CentOS team has volunteered for that. - centos-de: I will run that, Christoph Maser cmr@financial.com offered to help - centos-es: Roger PeX(?)a Escobio orkcu@yahoo.com and ""Ing. Ernesto Pérez Estévez"" info@ecualinux.com have volunteered for that.
Regarding the both -es volunteers: Are you okay with that? We barely know you two - but if you say you're up to the task I think we have to tend to believe you >:)
So: If there is anything anyone wants to say about the people moderating the lists: Also do so *NOW*.
If everything has been cleared up, I will contact the moderators off list. I hope for starting the lists this month - or maybe on the beginning of the next one.
Cheers,
Ralph
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- centos-es: Roger PeX(?)a Escobio orkcu@yahoo.com and ""Ing. Ernesto Pérez Estévez"" info@ecualinux.com have volunteered for that.
Regarding the both -es volunteers: Are you okay with that? We barely know you two - but if you say you're up to the task I think we have to tend to believe you >:)
I'm ok. Thanks for trusting in me.
regards! epe - -- Ing. Ernesto Pérez Estévez http://www.ecualinux.com USA: + 1 404 795 0321 / España: +34 917617884 Ecuador: +593 2 3412402 / + 593 9 9246504
So: If there is anything anyone wants to say about the people moderating the lists: Also do so *NOW*.
If everything has been cleared up, I will contact the moderators off list. I hope for starting the lists this month - or maybe on the beginning of the next one.
Cheers,
Ralph
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Ralph Angenendt wrote:
I put "Release Candidate One" for the list policies on http://wiki.centos.org/GettingHelp/ListInfo/Policy. If anyone thinks, that something should be changed in there, please *do say* so. Otherwise I would put RC1 into production :)
There were two more points added by Rodrigo, which I put into the policies.
So please take a look at http://wiki.centos.org/GettingHelp/ListInfo/Policy and start giving feedback, so we can start with the lists this week.
If there is no feedback (positive or negative) I'll regard that as silent consent towards the list policy.
Cheers,
Ralph
There were two more points added by Rodrigo, which I put into the policies.
So please take a look at http://wiki.centos.org/GettingHelp/ListInfo/Policy and start giving feedback, so we can start with the lists this week.
If there is no feedback (positive or negative) I'll regard that as silent consent towards the list policy.
Hi Ralph. It seems I've arrived too late at this devel-list and this discussion. But I've checked the list archives and I've read the complete thread. So, my feedback would be the next:
* In the spanish case (I'm catalan, so I'm a spanish an catalan native speaker) I think the list should be language specific, not regional. Why? So there are too many spanish countries, and, at the end, all of us can speak with each others without problem. I'm in several spanish mail list and it's usual to see people from Spain, Cuba, Argentina, Ecuador, Mexico... etc and there is not any problem with language among them.
* If you want I can help you in the spanish-list management. The main problem of that is my english language skills are so basic.
Jordi Espasa Clofent wrote:
So, my feedback would be the next:
* In the spanish case (I'm catalan, so I'm a spanish an catalannative speaker) I think the list should be language specific, not regional.
Yes. We only seem to have a "regional" (well, it's a rather big region) issue with pt_BR vs. pt_PT. But that doesn't mean that one cannot discuss regional activities on such a list - spanish or german or whatever list that is.
* If you want I can help you in the spanish-list management. Themain problem of that is my english language skills are so basic.
Thanks for volunteering.
Regards,
Ralph
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* In the spanish case (I'm catalan, so I'm a spanish an catalannative speaker) I think the list should be language specific, not regional. Why? So there are too many spanish countries, and, at the end, all of us can speak with each others without problem. I'm in several spanish mail list and it's usual to see people from Spain, Cuba, Argentina, Ecuador, Mexico... etc and there is not any problem with language among them.
This is correct. We Latin americans have no problems communicating with spaniards nor between latin americans.. ok yes.. spaniards pronuonce or say several computers/internet terms in a different way but we perfectly understand the meaning and they do the same when we write or say the same terms in an english transliterated form as we know, but as for the rest, the grammar and other aspects are the sme, there is no need to separate them.
BTW, I tried to update the wiki with this comment, but Im unable to edit the page.
* If you want I can help you in the spanish-list management. Themain problem of that is my english language skills are so basic.
Good... and what about a Catalá list? I guess the catalá community is not small.
regards! epe
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"Ing. Ernesto Pérez Estévez" wrote:
BTW, I tried to update the wiki with this comment, but Im unable to edit the page.
Yes. You have to jump through some burning hoops to put some content there (say thanks to the spammers): http://wiki.centos.org/HowToContribute/Wiki
But you can post it here and I'll put that into the wiki.
Cheers,
Ralph
On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:11:12 +0100 Ralph Angenendt ra+centos@br-online.de wrote:
There were two more points added by Rodrigo, which I put into the policies.
I have added a discussion point (how to deal with AFKs of list moderators, e.g. due to holidays/work trips).
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Daniel de Kok wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:11:12 +0100 Ralph Angenendt ra+centos@br-online.de wrote:
There were two more points added by Rodrigo, which I put into the policies.
I have added a discussion point (how to deal with AFKs of list moderators, e.g. due to holidays/work trips).
Normally two moderators/administrators would be nice for one list.
We could find a general backup admin (me, for example), but that would only mean weeding out spam and *maybe* redirecting "non-list-subscriber"-Mails to the list.
Ralph
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
I put "Release Candidate One" for the list policies on http://wiki.centos.org/GettingHelp/ListInfo/Policy. If anyone thinks, that something should be changed in there, please *do say* so. Otherwise I would put RC1 into production :)
There were two more points added by Rodrigo, which I put into the policies.
Okay, one more change. List moderators are automatically subscribed to a centos-moderator list (for policy discussions, vacancy and standby during a vacancy and general moderation issues). This is the last change I'd like to incorporate, otherwise we'll be getting nowhere fast.
So please take a look at http://wiki.centos.org/GettingHelp/ListInfo/Policy and start giving feedback, so we can start with the lists this week.
Regards,
Ralph
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
I put "Release Candidate One" for the list policies on http://wiki.centos.org/GettingHelp/ListInfo/Policy. If anyone thinks, that something should be changed in there, please *do say* so. Otherwise I would put RC1 into production :)
There were two more points added by Rodrigo, which I put into the policies.
Okay, one more change. List moderators are automatically subscribed to a centos-moderator list (for policy discussions, vacancy and standby during a vacancy and general moderation issues). This is the last change I'd like to incorporate, otherwise we'll be getting nowhere fast.
So please take a look at http://wiki.centos.org/GettingHelp/ListInfo/Policy and start giving feedback, so we can start with the lists this week.
With that last change, all good from my viewpoint!
- KB
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On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 05:46:07PM +0000, Karanbir Singh wrote:
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
I put "Release Candidate One" for the list policies on http://wiki.centos.org/GettingHelp/ListInfo/Policy. If anyone thinks, that something should be changed in there, please *do say* so. Otherwise I would put RC1 into production :)
There were two more points added by Rodrigo, which I put into the policies.
Okay, one more change. List moderators are automatically subscribed to a centos-moderator list (for policy discussions, vacancy and standby during a vacancy and general moderation issues). This is the last change I'd like to incorporate, otherwise we'll be getting nowhere fast.
So please take a look at http://wiki.centos.org/GettingHelp/ListInfo/Policy and start giving feedback, so we can start with the lists this week.
With that last change, all good from my viewpoint!
Looks fine from where I'm standing too.
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On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:57:17 -0200 Rodrigo Barbosa rodrigob@darkover.org wrote:
Looks fine from where I'm standing too.
AOL.
-- Daniel
On Fri, 2 Feb 2007, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
I put "Release Candidate One" for the list policies on http://wiki.centos.org/GettingHelp/ListInfo/Policy. If anyone thinks, that something should be changed in there, please *do say* so. Otherwise I would put RC1 into production :)
There were two more points added by Rodrigo, which I put into the policies.
Okay, one more change. List moderators are automatically subscribed to a centos-moderator list (for policy discussions, vacancy and standby during a vacancy and general moderation issues). This is the last change I'd like to incorporate, otherwise we'll be getting nowhere fast.
So please take a look at http://wiki.centos.org/GettingHelp/ListInfo/Policy and start giving feedback, so we can start with the lists this week.
I made one small change - but apart from that seems fine :)
Although regarding 'no advertising' , I think that 'CentOS' should be able to advertise for example for donations, volunteers, use of servers, and to promote any new services we produce. So maybe we need to clarify the 'no advertising' as we would not want to fall foul of our own rules ;)
Regards Lance
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On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 01:21:44PM +0000, Lance Davis wrote:
On Fri, 2 Feb 2007, Ralph Angenendt wrote: Although regarding 'no advertising' , I think that 'CentOS' should be able to advertise for example for donations, volunteers, use of servers, and to promote any new services we produce. So maybe we need to clarify the 'no advertising' as we would not want to fall foul of our own rules ;)
I agree with that. I only don't see the value of doing that on the localized lists.
In any case, it is important that said advertisements are done by the centos team, not by the donor/contributor/etc, so the current rule is still ok, as far as I'm concerned.
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On Sat, 3 Feb 2007, Rodrigo Barbosa wrote:
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On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 01:21:44PM +0000, Lance Davis wrote:
On Fri, 2 Feb 2007, Ralph Angenendt wrote: Although regarding 'no advertising' , I think that 'CentOS' should be able to advertise for example for donations, volunteers, use of servers, and to promote any new services we produce. So maybe we need to clarify the 'no advertising' as we would not want to fall foul of our own rules ;)
I agree with that. I only don't see the value of doing that on the localized lists.
Greater reach ??? :)
In any case, it is important that said advertisements are done by the centos team, not by the donor/contributor/etc, so the current rule is still ok, as far as I'm concerned.
OK - as long as that is ok ..
Regards Lance
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On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 02:25:09AM +0000, Lance Davis wrote:
In any case, it is important that said advertisements are done by the centos team, not by the donor/contributor/etc, so the current rule is still ok, as far as I'm concerned.
OK - as long as that is ok ..
Just for the sake of clarification: as long as said e-mails come from centos.org, I don't see a reason for anyone to complain.
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