Hi everyone,
I would like to have a kick-off meeting for the CentOS NFV SIG next Thursday, at 14h UTC, and I had a question about meeting infrastructure - is there a preferred meeting method (IRC, phone, hang-outs, etc)? For the first meeting, I would like to have a phone call, and I can arrange a conference call bridge, but I thought perhaps CentOS preferred/required SIGs to use something a bit more community friendly.
What infrastructure for community meetings exists, and how can I go about reserving a time slot if there's something like an IRC meeting channel with meetbot recording minutes?
Thanks, Dave.
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On 03/17/2015 09:22 AM, Dave Neary wrote:
Hi everyone,
I would like to have a kick-off meeting for the CentOS NFV SIG next Thursday, at 14h UTC, and I had a question about meeting infrastructure - is there a preferred meeting method (IRC, phone, hang-outs, etc)? For the first meeting, I would like to have a phone call, and I can arrange a conference call bridge, but I thought perhaps CentOS preferred/required SIGs to use something a bit more community friendly.
We've been all over the place in practice, but I *think* the agreement is generally the same.
For regular meetings, IRC is preferred for the usual reasons -- ease of understanding for non-native speakers, low barrier, easy transcripts, easily searchable, etc.
We have an unwritten practice of kicking a SIG off with a video meeting, and having an occasional (4x/year?) of doing a video sync to work through things. Google Hangouts has been the choice as giving realtime read-only to a wide audience, instant meeting archive, etc.
What infrastructure for community meetings exists, and how can I go about reserving a time slot if there's something like an IRC meeting channel with meetbot recording minutes?
Use #centos-devel on Freenode for regular IRC meetings, centbot is your meetbot instance. The only trick is that minutes are not posted live automatically, you need to ping Arrfab or Evolution to do that after the meeting. (Protection from spammers.)
We don't have enough going on that we cross each other on IRC, but it would be a good idea to a single wiki page that lists all regular meetings. I've got that on my todo list now to get up soonest.
- - Karsten - -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade .^\ CentOS Doer of Stuff http://TheOpenSourceWay.org \ http://community.redhat.com @quaid (identi.ca/twitter/IRC) \v' gpg: AD0E0C41
Hi,
On 03/17/2015 12:48 PM, Karsten Wade wrote:
We have an unwritten practice of kicking a SIG off with a video meeting, and having an occasional (4x/year?) of doing a video sync to work through things. Google Hangouts has been the choice as giving realtime read-only to a wide audience, instant meeting archive, etc.
In practice, how do you figure out which 10 people get a voice on the Google Hangouts? And how do I set up the meeting & promote it? I'm not very familiar with it in the "broadcast" mode, any help you can give would be welcome.
Use #centos-devel on Freenode for regular IRC meetings, centbot is your meetbot instance. The only trick is that minutes are not posted live automatically, you need to ping Arrfab or Evolution to do that after the meeting. (Protection from spammers.)
We don't have enough going on that we cross each other on IRC, but it would be a good idea to a single wiki page that lists all regular meetings. I've got that on my todo list now to get up soonest.
Thanks, that all sounds great.
Has anyone tried BlueJeans for a broader video meeting yet? I like that you can access it with free software, and I like that it doesn't limit you at 10 active participants (I think we will get more than that).
Thanks, Dave.
On 03/17/2015 10:53 PM, Dave Neary wrote:
On 03/17/2015 12:48 PM, Karsten Wade wrote:
We have an unwritten practice of kicking a SIG off with a video meeting, and having an occasional (4x/year?) of doing a video sync to work through things. Google Hangouts has been the choice as giving realtime read-only to a wide audience, instant meeting archive, etc.
In practice, how do you figure out which 10 people get a voice on the Google Hangouts? And how do I set up the meeting & promote it? I'm not very familiar with it in the "broadcast" mode, any help you can give would be welcome.
We can setup the session from the centos project account, that will auto record and live play on the centos project youtube channel.
Use #centos-devel on Freenode for regular IRC meetings, centbot is your meetbot instance. The only trick is that minutes are not posted live automatically, you need to ping Arrfab or Evolution to do that after the meeting. (Protection from spammers.)
We don't have enough going on that we cross each other on IRC, but it would be a good idea to a single wiki page that lists all regular meetings. I've got that on my todo list now to get up soonest.
Thanks, that all sounds great.
Has anyone tried BlueJeans for a broader video meeting yet? I like that you can access it with free software, and I like that it doesn't limit you at 10 active participants (I think we will get more than that).
I didnt realise the bluejeans plugins were opensource ? it does not work without it afaik.
In the past we've tried to run our own instance of bigbluebutton and openmeetings - neither of which are really finished enough to just-work. Jitsi is another option, and I spoke with them around running a centos specific instance - the resource requirements for large number of attendees (20+) tends to get fairly intense.
there are also a lot of webrtc options starting up like firefox hello - I've had no real luck in conversations that include more than 4 - 6 people on that.
Hi,
On 03/17/2015 07:47 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote:
We can setup the session from the centos project account, that will auto record and live play on the centos project youtube channel.
Sounds good - who do I need to ask about this?
Is there's a special link for speakers/presenters?
I have 7 committers to the project plus myself who will need to be speakers during the call, unfortunately that does not leave much room for others for this first call. We can use IRC as a back-channel and ansure viewpoints are aired & heard on the call.
Thanks, Dave.
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On 03/18/2015 03:48 PM, Dave Neary wrote:
I have 7 committers to the project plus myself who will need to be speakers during the call, unfortunately that does not leave much room for others for this first call. We can use IRC as a back-channel and ansure viewpoints are aired & heard on the call.
Yeah, the Hangouts are more about high-bandwidth for the speakers, not as much about shared participation back to the community. But as you say, you can run it podcast-live-recording style, have folks on the meeting also in the IRC channel and responding to questions there. That might be nicer anyway than having 100 people with voice trying to speak over each other on the Hangout.
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On 18/03/15 23:41, Karsten Wade wrote:
On 03/18/2015 03:48 PM, Dave Neary wrote:
I have 7 committers to the project plus myself who will need to be speakers during the call, unfortunately that does not leave much room for others for this first call. We can use IRC as a back-channel and ansure viewpoints are aired & heard on the call.
Yeah, the Hangouts are more about high-bandwidth for the speakers, not as much about shared participation back to the community. But as you say, you can run it podcast-live-recording style, have folks on the meeting also in the IRC channel and responding to questions there. That might be nicer anyway than having 100 people with voice trying to speak over each other on the Hangout.
A Q&A app can also be enabled before starting a hangout-on-air (the broadcast version) so users accessing it via the Google+ stream can submit questions back to the broadcasters. They appear in a separate pane inside the hangout and the person hosting can select them to answer, which links the question/answer during playback. Other viewers can also see and "+1" questions.
The main problem is that the delay of the stream (anywhere up to a minute) and the slight delay (10/20 seconds?) of the Q&A app means that it isn't immediate, so expect to see questions bubble up at the end, or shortly after a topic has been discussed.
Here's an example from Foreman, click the "nine squares" icon in the top right, then Q&A and you can skip to answered questions.
https://plus.google.com/u/0/hangouts/onair/watch?hid=hoaevent%2Fcuvptj02clqu...
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On Tuesday, March 17, 2015, Karanbir Singh mail-lists@karan.org wrote:
On 03/17/2015 10:53 PM, Dave Neary wrote:
On 03/17/2015 12:48 PM, Karsten Wade wrote:
Thanks, that all sounds great.
Has anyone tried BlueJeans for a broader video meeting yet? I like that you can access it with free software, and I like that it doesn't limit you at 10 active participants (I think we will get more than that).
I didnt realise the bluejeans plugins were opensource ? it does not work without it afaik.
I don't know that the Blue Jeans plugins are OSS, but it does work just fine on RHEL and Fedora (source: coworkers and myself) and can handle up to about 25 people in video chat depending on connections. Also works on Windows and OS X.
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