Hi KB,
Some users are getting restless [1]. Would you like / do you have the time to post to that thread, please?
If negative, may I have a comment from you that I can post on your behalf.
Thanks, Alan.
[1] http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=26452&forum=3...
On 05/27/2010 04:09 PM, Alan Bartlett wrote:
Hi KB,
Some users are getting restless [1]. Would you like / do you have the time to post to that thread, please?
If negative, may I have a comment from you that I can post on your behalf.
Thanks, Alan.
[1] http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=26452&forum=3...
and here too:
https://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=26230&forum=...
On Thu, 27 May 2010, Ned Slider wrote:
Alan Bartlett ajb@elrepo.org [1] http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=26452&forum=3...
https://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=26230&forum=...
no pleasing the forum users it seems, and no bugs filed
no bug number, no problem
Perhaps the forums should be shut down, as one off participants will not read the mailing lists and will not file bugs, ** and ** the people purporting to want to manage the forums cannot bring themselves to say: use existing suport machanisms, or file the bugs for people unwilling or unable to do so
-- Russ herrold
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:44 AM, R P Herrold herrold@owlriver.com wrote:
no bug number, no problem
Perhaps the forums should be shut down, as one off participants will not read the mailing lists and will not file bugs, ** and ** the people purporting to want to manage the forums cannot bring themselves to say: use existing suport machanisms, or file the bugs for people unwilling or unable to do so
Better late than never. Here we go. This is about delayed cplus kernels:
http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=4340
Thanks in advance for taking care of the matter,
Akemi
On 27/05/2010 17:07, Akemi Yagi wrote:
Better late than never. Here we go. This is about delayed cplus kernels:
hopefully.
Trying to get the automated testing setup around the plus kernels. More details by Monday, and we should get the two pending kernels out by tuesday.
- KB
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Karanbir Singh mail-lists@karan.org wrote:
On 27/05/2010 17:07, Akemi Yagi wrote:
Better late than never. Here we go. This is about delayed cplus kernels:
hopefully.
Trying to get the automated testing setup around the plus kernels. More details by Monday, and we should get the two pending kernels out by tuesday.
- KB
The delivery was quicker than scheduled. I now see kernel-2.6.18-194.3.1.el5.centos.plus in the wild. Thanks.
The above bug report has been closed. However, -2.6.18-194 is not on the mirrors yet. While the current version might suffice, I thought the intention was to release both kernels...
Akemi
On 28/05/2010 19:00, Akemi Yagi wrote:
The delivery was quicker than scheduled. I now see kernel-2.6.18-194.3.1.el5.centos.plus in the wild. Thanks.
not my fault! blame it on Tru.
The above bug report has been closed. However, -2.6.18-194 is not on the mirrors yet. While the current version might suffice, I thought the intention was to release both kernels...
You need to poke the Tru master for that.
I'm going to still try and get the proper test harness going and get that in the public as soon as I can. I apologise for the delays there, compounded by the fact that we had our house broken into on Wednesday and a lot of things taken. They damaged my desktop machine and broke the screen on the laptop - completely bizarre given that they didn't actually vandalise the place.
Anyway, the end result is that I find myself using borrowed machine time, and wont be on irc for a few days till I can sort something out.
- KB
On 28 May 2010 20:49, Karanbir Singh mail-lists@karan.org wrote:
I'm going to still try and get the proper test harness going and get that in the public as soon as I can. I apologise for the delays there, compounded by the fact that we had our house broken into on Wednesday and a lot of things taken. They damaged my desktop machine and broke the screen on the laptop - completely bizarre given that they didn't actually vandalise the place.
Commiserations. Unfortunately the above is a fact of modern life.
Anyway, the end result is that I find myself using borrowed machine time, and wont be on irc for a few days till I can sort something out.
Please say -- either publicly or privately -- if you require assistance in any shape or form.
Alan.
On 05/27/2010 04:44 PM, R P Herrold wrote:
On Thu, 27 May 2010, Ned Slider wrote:
Alan Bartlettajb@elrepo.org [1] http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=26452&forum=3...
https://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=26230&forum=...
no pleasing the forum users it seems, and no bugs filed
no bug number, no problem
You are kidding, right? So a Critical Security Update has been available for Firefox for nearly 2 months but we should all stick our heads in the sand and ignore it because no one bothered to file a bug to remind the Project that upstream released a security update. But hey, lets take some collective responsibility here - did no one really notice there are security updates missing for this length of time? There are supposedly ~3 million CentOS users and not one of them thought to file a bug report, including 10 or so core devs.
Out of interest, at what point should a bug report be filed? The moment upstream releases an update? 24hours later? 48 hours? 1 month? How late is late when the policy is when it's ready?
Anyway, here's the bug report for the missing Firefox update:
http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=4342
Perhaps the forums should be shut down, as one off participants will not read the mailing lists and will not file bugs, ** and ** the people purporting to want to manage the forums cannot bring themselves to say: use existing suport machanisms, or file the bugs for people unwilling or unable to do so
The Forums are an existing support mechanism - or at least they have been since at least 2004/5. What looks bad is when those managing the support channels have no clue when the security updates might appear or why they are delayed in the first place.
On Thu, 27 May 2010, Ned Slider wrote:
no pleasing the forum users it seems, and no bugs filed
no bug number, no problem
You are kidding, right?
I have no sense of humor
I don't like the attitude of some of an entitlement to criticise first and ask for special interventions on the Forums; I do not like the 'the rules do not apply to me' attitude
| Rhineheart: You have a problem with authority, Mr. Anderson. | You believe you are special, that somehow the rules do not | apply to you. Obviously, you are mistaken.
The forum posts cited are cluttered messes to read. Most of more than 3 or 4 entries are. I have better things to do
The rule that 'no bug no problem' was not invented by me, but it is a good one
-- Russ herrold
On 5/27/2010 1:32 PM, R P Herrold wrote:
The forum posts cited are cluttered messes to read. Most of more than 3 or 4 entries are. I have better things to do
The rule that 'no bug no problem' was not invented by me, but it is a good one
Does that really mean that there is no automated way to track upstream updates and no way other than end-user reports long after the fact to know if they are missing? End users that seldom have any indication of the status of update progress and get yelled at whenever they ask?
On Thu, 27 May 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
Does that really mean that there is no automated way to track upstream updates and no way other than end-user reports long after the fact to know if they are missing? End users that seldom have any indication of the status of update progress and get yelled at whenever they ask?
not at all -- I personally get overlapping reports on security related matters from several sources; many CentOS issues are simply silently resolved in non-public support venue
-- Russ herrold
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 01:50:07PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
Does that really mean that there is no automated way to track upstream updates and no way other than end-user reports long after the fact to know if they are missing? End users that seldom have any indication of the status of update progress and get yelled at whenever they ask?
I may have overlooked something in this thread but I don't recall seeing anyone being yelled at. Besides, those reporting the issue today are hardly the run of the mill end user :)
There are multiple ways of being alerted when there are new packages available from upstream, ranging from multiple mailing lists to keeping an eye on rsync output if mirroring Redhat; it's far-fetched to think that CentOS developers are not aware of what is pending. Heck even I see update notifications from 3 separate sources :)
I've no idea why the updates have been slow coming down the pipe as I'm not a CentOS developer; however I'm sure that there are valid reasons. But if an update or two *does* manage to slip through the cracks then opening a ticket *is* the appropriate way to handle it; it provides tracking and notification that the process, for whatever reason, failed this time around and provides incentive for it not to happen again.
Besides all this. If timely updates are critical then you can, as always, get a support entitlement from Redhat and use native packages.
John
On Thu, 2010-05-27 at 11:44 -0400, R P Herrold wrote:
On Thu, 27 May 2010, Ned Slider wrote:
Alan Bartlett ajb@elrepo.org [1] http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=26452&forum=3...
https://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=26230&forum=...
no pleasing the forum users it seems, and no bugs filed
no bug number, no problem
Perhaps the forums should be shut down, as one off participants will not read the mailing lists and will not file bugs, ** and ** the people purporting to want to manage the forums cannot bring themselves to say: use existing suport machanisms, or file the bugs for people unwilling or unable to do so
Unfounded, unsubstantiated, and untrue.
Just a couple of recent examples. Plenty more could easily be dredged up.
https://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=26346&forum=... https://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=26195&forum=...
Phil
On 27/05/2010 16:09, Alan Bartlett wrote:
Hi KB,
Some users are getting restless [1]. Would you like / do you have the time to post to that thread, please?
If negative, may I have a comment from you that I can post on your behalf.
Most of the updates are already released, most were on zeroday with release.
I'll sync up with Tru and make sure the backlog is cleared out, I know he was looking at the failiing firefox build earlier today.
- KB
On 28 May 2010 00:07, Karanbir Singh mail-lists@karan.org wrote:
Most of the updates are already released, most were on zeroday with release.
I'll sync up with Tru and make sure the backlog is cleared out, I know he was looking at the failiing firefox build earlier today.
Thanks, KB. That's a helpful response -- appreciated. :-)
Alan.
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