Hi, May be it's not clear to everyone.. so this's just a quick notice to everyone. Don't use CentOS 7 as a developer workstation since currently there is not included any developer IDE. As eclipse was pulled out from the main distro and put into Red Hat Developer Toolset (which is imho a good idea not to use a 7 years old IDE). But Red Hat Developer Toolset is still not supported on rhel7 this means currently you have to install eclipse and all other packages from RHDT. Anyway RH said it will be supported...
Regards.
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Farkas Levente lfarkas@lfarkas.org wrote:
Hi, May be it's not clear to everyone.. so this's just a quick notice to everyone. Don't use CentOS 7 as a developer workstation since currently there is not included any developer IDE.
And what makes you think that every developer wants to use a bloated IDE? Your use case does not apply to everybody so please don't make such general statements.
...Juerg
As eclipse was pulled out from the main distro and put into Red Hat Developer Toolset (which is imho a good idea not to use a 7 years old IDE). But Red Hat Developer Toolset is still not supported on rhel7 this means currently you have to install eclipse and all other packages from RHDT. Anyway RH said it will be supported...
Regards.
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On 03/08/14 07:19 AM, Farkas Levente wrote:
Hi, May be it's not clear to everyone.. so this's just a quick notice to everyone. Don't use CentOS 7 as a developer workstation since currently there is not included any developer IDE. As eclipse was pulled out from the main distro and put into Red Hat Developer Toolset (which is imho a good idea not to use a 7 years old IDE). But Red Hat Developer Toolset is still not supported on rhel7 this means currently you have to install eclipse and all other packages from RHDT. Anyway RH said it will be supported...
Regards.
Why do you assume that, because your IDE of choice is not included, that you should send out a "PSA" style email to multiple CentOS mailing lists?
On Sun, Aug 03, 2014 at 12:15:43PM -0400, Digimer wrote:
On 03/08/14 07:19 AM, Farkas Levente wrote:
Hi, May be it's not clear to everyone.. so this's just a quick notice to everyone. Don't use CentOS 7 as a developer workstation since currently there is not included any developer IDE. As eclipse was pulled out from the main distro and put into Red Hat Developer Toolset (which is imho a good idea not to use a 7 years old IDE). But Red Hat Developer Toolset is still not supported on rhel7 this means currently you have to install eclipse and all other packages from RHDT. Anyway RH said it will be supported...
Regards.
Why do you assume that, because your IDE of choice is not included, that you should send out a "PSA" style email to multiple CentOS mailing lists?
yes.
and to the original issue: just because it doesn't have Eclipse, why should that cause everyone to avoid doing development on it? AFAI am concerned, a Unix(-like) system with multiple terminal windows, one for editing, one for compiling, one for testing/debugging is the best IDE there is. (I realize lots of people disagree.) Until someone gives me something easy to use that incoroporates a full clone of vi as its primary editing tool, I'll stick with the plain and simple.
On 03/08/14 12:34 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
On Sun, Aug 03, 2014 at 12:15:43PM -0400, Digimer wrote:
On 03/08/14 07:19 AM, Farkas Levente wrote:
Hi, May be it's not clear to everyone.. so this's just a quick notice to everyone. Don't use CentOS 7 as a developer workstation since currently there is not included any developer IDE. As eclipse was pulled out from the main distro and put into Red Hat Developer Toolset (which is imho a good idea not to use a 7 years old IDE). But Red Hat Developer Toolset is still not supported on rhel7 this means currently you have to install eclipse and all other packages from RHDT. Anyway RH said it will be supported...
Regards.
Why do you assume that, because your IDE of choice is not included, that you should send out a "PSA" style email to multiple CentOS mailing lists?
yes.
and to the original issue: just because it doesn't have Eclipse, why should that cause everyone to avoid doing development on it? AFAI am concerned, a Unix(-like) system with multiple terminal windows, one for editing, one for compiling, one for testing/debugging is the best IDE there is. (I realize lots of people disagree.) Until someone gives me something easy to use that incoroporates a full clone of vi as its primary editing tool, I'll stick with the plain and simple.
"Whatver gets the job done is good". What works, or doesn't, for one person does not indicate the suitability for others.
Personally, I grabbed the Fedora 19 RPMs for kate, rebuilt them for EL7 and installed them. Works for me for projects more complex than I want to deal with using vim. I am sure it will be relatively as easy to get other IDEs working, too. Also, EPEL and other repos should be coming online before long (if not already), making it even easier for folks to get the environments they like.
JPackage also seems to have lumbered back to life after an unannounced sabbatical if a year. One could sometimes find more recent versions of Java tools there.
Nico Kadel-Garcia Email: nkadel@gmail.com Sent from iPhone
On Aug 3, 2014, at 13:18, Digimer lists@alteeve.ca wrote:
On 03/08/14 12:34 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
On Sun, Aug 03, 2014 at 12:15:43PM -0400, Digimer wrote:
On 03/08/14 07:19 AM, Farkas Levente wrote: Hi, May be it's not clear to everyone.. so this's just a quick notice to everyone. Don't use CentOS 7 as a developer workstation since currently there is not included any developer IDE. As eclipse was pulled out from the main distro and put into Red Hat Developer Toolset (which is imho a good idea not to use a 7 years old IDE). But Red Hat Developer Toolset is still not supported on rhel7 this means currently you have to install eclipse and all other packages from RHDT. Anyway RH said it will be supported...
Regards.
Why do you assume that, because your IDE of choice is not included, that you should send out a "PSA" style email to multiple CentOS mailing lists?
yes.
and to the original issue: just because it doesn't have Eclipse, why should that cause everyone to avoid doing development on it? AFAI am concerned, a Unix(-like) system with multiple terminal windows, one for editing, one for compiling, one for testing/debugging is the best IDE there is. (I realize lots of people disagree.) Until someone gives me something easy to use that incoroporates a full clone of vi as its primary editing tool, I'll stick with the plain and simple.
"Whatver gets the job done is good". What works, or doesn't, for one person does not indicate the suitability for others.
Personally, I grabbed the Fedora 19 RPMs for kate, rebuilt them for EL7 and installed them. Works for me for projects more complex than I want to deal with using vim. I am sure it will be relatively as easy to get other IDEs working, too. Also, EPEL and other repos should be coming online before long (if not already), making it even easier for folks to get the environments they like.
-- Digimer Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without access to education? _______________________________________________ CentOS-devel mailing list CentOS-devel@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 6:19 AM, Farkas Levente lfarkas@lfarkas.org wrote:
Hi, May be it's not clear to everyone.. so this's just a quick notice to everyone. Don't use CentOS 7 as a developer workstation since currently there is not included any developer IDE. As eclipse was pulled out from the main distro and put into Red Hat Developer Toolset (which is imho a good idea not to use a 7 years old IDE). But Red Hat Developer Toolset is still not supported on rhel7 this means currently you have to install eclipse and all other packages from RHDT.
Most of the point of the developer toolset was to get reasonably modern compiler-chain tools (C++ 11 support, etc.) and you get those natively in RHEL/CentOS7 so you don't have to install 'all the other' packages. Eclipse itself is relatively self-contained (like most java applications) and capable of managing its own modules so packaged versions are really a big win.
Anyway RH said it will be supported...
I'd expect it to show up here: http://linux.web.cern.ch/linux/devtoolset/#dts21 eventually - unless CentOS picks it up. But it doesn't seem that important until the stock versions are outdated. If you took your own advice and backed out to CentOS6.x, you might want to use these.
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