Do package updates for C8 get announced via centos-announce list?
If not whats the new communication "channel"?
I see updates but no corresponding announcement ...
-- Leon
On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 at 14:42, Leon Fauster via CentOS-devel centos-devel@centos.org wrote:
Do package updates for C8 get announced via centos-announce list?
At the moment they do not
If not whats the new communication "channel"?
I see updates but no corresponding announcement ...
Currently tooling needs to be written to make announcements happen. The way that EL-8 is 'built' is different enough that previous ways of producing emails does not work.
On Fri, Nov 1, 2019, at 13:41, Leon Fauster via CentOS-devel wrote:
Do package updates for C8 get announced via centos-announce list?
We are not doing announcement emails for C8 updates at this time. There are feeds at https://feeds.centos.org/ if you would like to subscribe there.
If not whats the new communication "channel"?
I see updates but no corresponding announcement ...
-- Leon
CentOS-devel mailing list CentOS-devel@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
Am 01.11.19 um 20:06 schrieb Brian Stinson:
On Fri, Nov 1, 2019, at 13:41, Leon Fauster via CentOS-devel wrote:
Do package updates for C8 get announced via centos-announce list?
We are not doing announcement emails for C8 updates at this time. There are feeds at https://feeds.centos.org/ if you would like to subscribe there.
Thanks for the fast answer. I will take a look at the above feeds ...
-- Leon
Am 01.11.19 um 21:04 schrieb Leon Fauster:
Am 01.11.19 um 20:06 schrieb Brian Stinson:
On Fri, Nov 1, 2019, at 13:41, Leon Fauster via CentOS-devel wrote:
Do package updates for C8 get announced via centos-announce list?
We are not doing announcement emails for C8 updates at this time. There are feeds at https://feeds.centos.org/ if you would like to subscribe there.
Thanks for the fast answer. I will take a look at the above feeds ...
Any announcements feeds for C8 CR?
-- Leon
On 31/12/2019 18:33, Leon Fauster via CentOS-devel wrote:
Am 01.11.19 um 21:04 schrieb Leon Fauster:
Am 01.11.19 um 20:06 schrieb Brian Stinson:
On Fri, Nov 1, 2019, at 13:41, Leon Fauster via CentOS-devel wrote:
Do package updates for C8 get announced via centos-announce list?
We are not doing announcement emails for C8 updates at this time. There are feeds at https://feeds.centos.org/ if you would like to subscribe there.
Thanks for the fast answer. I will take a look at the above feeds ...
Any announcements feeds for C8 CR?
As CR is an "opt-in" repo (not enabled by default) it's true that I never added it for 8 (and this is the first time we even have a CR repo for 8). So I added it for 8 but also for 7 and people can subscribe to those generated xml feeds : https://github.com/CentOS/ansible-role-httpd-feeds/commit/b9892804cfc29ba936...
Cheers,
Am 01.01.20 um 10:37 schrieb Fabian Arrotin:
On 31/12/2019 18:33, Leon Fauster via CentOS-devel wrote:
Am 01.11.19 um 21:04 schrieb Leon Fauster:
Am 01.11.19 um 20:06 schrieb Brian Stinson:
On Fri, Nov 1, 2019, at 13:41, Leon Fauster via CentOS-devel wrote:
Do package updates for C8 get announced via centos-announce list?
We are not doing announcement emails for C8 updates at this time. There are feeds at https://feeds.centos.org/ if you would like to subscribe there.
Thanks for the fast answer. I will take a look at the above feeds ...
Any announcements feeds for C8 CR?
As CR is an "opt-in" repo (not enabled by default) it's true that I never added it for 8 (and this is the first time we even have a CR repo for 8). So I added it for 8 but also for 7 and people can subscribe to those generated xml feeds : https://github.com/CentOS/ansible-role-httpd-feeds/commit/b9892804cfc29ba936...
Thank you! Happy new year! :-)
-- Leon
Am 01.01.20 um 10:37 schrieb Fabian Arrotin:
On 31/12/2019 18:33, Leon Fauster via CentOS-devel wrote:
Am 01.11.19 um 21:04 schrieb Leon Fauster:
Am 01.11.19 um 20:06 schrieb Brian Stinson:
On Fri, Nov 1, 2019, at 13:41, Leon Fauster via CentOS-devel wrote:
Do package updates for C8 get announced via centos-announce list?
We are not doing announcement emails for C8 updates at this time. There are feeds at https://feeds.centos.org/ if you would like to subscribe there.
Thanks for the fast answer. I will take a look at the above feeds ...
Any announcements feeds for C8 CR?
As CR is an "opt-in" repo (not enabled by default) it's true that I never added it for 8 (and this is the first time we even have a CR repo for 8). So I added it for 8 but also for 7 and people can subscribe to those generated xml feeds : https://github.com/CentOS/ansible-role-httpd-feeds/commit/b9892804cfc29ba936...
Not sure if its my client (thunderbird), but the downside of rss/feeds seems to be that I never get a complete list of all packages? For CR the feed gives me 543 entries, on the mirror (http) i see over 6600 rpms? Any limits for the xml generation active?
-- Leon
Will this change? I would like to see emails to that list.
On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 3:06 PM Brian Stinson brian@bstinson.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 1, 2019, at 13:41, Leon Fauster via CentOS-devel wrote:
Do package updates for C8 get announced via centos-announce list?
We are not doing announcement emails for C8 updates at this time. There are feeds at https://feeds.centos.org/ if you would like to subscribe there.
If not whats the new communication "channel"?
I see updates but no corresponding announcement ...
-- Leon
CentOS-devel mailing list CentOS-devel@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
CentOS-devel mailing list CentOS-devel@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
On 11/1/19 2:06 PM, Brian Stinson wrote:
On Fri, Nov 1, 2019, at 13:41, Leon Fauster via CentOS-devel wrote:
Do package updates for C8 get announced via centos-announce list?
We are not doing announcement emails for C8 updates at this time. There are feeds at https://feeds.centos.org/ if you would like to subscribe there.
Can you provide some details as to how this is managed and generated? Is there an entry limit, or how long will package updates appear in these feeds? Is it possible to continue to provide a link to the upstream errata notification or at least provide a matching ID number?
The way this looks right now this will actually be more difficult to work with than just scraping the mailing list has been for CentOS 6 and 7. It's nice seeing the RPM %changelog in the description, but everything else is worse from my perspective.
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 12:38 PM Kevin Stange kevin@steadfast.net wrote:
On 11/1/19 2:06 PM, Brian Stinson wrote:
On Fri, Nov 1, 2019, at 13:41, Leon Fauster via CentOS-devel wrote:
Do package updates for C8 get announced via centos-announce list?
We are not doing announcement emails for C8 updates at this time. There
are feeds at https://feeds.centos.org/ if you would like to subscribe there.
Can you provide some details as to how this is managed and generated? Is there an entry limit, or how long will package updates appear in these feeds? Is it possible to continue to provide a link to the upstream errata notification or at least provide a matching ID number?
The way this looks right now this will actually be more difficult to work with than just scraping the mailing list has been for CentOS 6 and 7. It's nice seeing the RPM %changelog in the description, but everything else is worse from my perspective.
Agreed. Nobody uses RSS anymore. Emails are much simpler to use as a sysadmin.
Please, please, change this practice back to the previous method ASAP.
On 05/11/2019 18:38, Kevin Stange wrote:
On 11/1/19 2:06 PM, Brian Stinson wrote:
On Fri, Nov 1, 2019, at 13:41, Leon Fauster via CentOS-devel wrote:
Do package updates for C8 get announced via centos-announce list?
We are not doing announcement emails for C8 updates at this time. There are feeds at https://feeds.centos.org/ if you would like to subscribe there.
Can you provide some details as to how this is managed and generated? Is there an entry limit, or how long will package updates appear in these feeds? Is it possible to continue to provide a link to the upstream errata notification or at least provide a matching ID number?
The way this looks right now this will actually be more difficult to work with than just scraping the mailing list has been for CentOS 6 and 7. It's nice seeing the RPM %changelog in the description, but everything else is worse from my perspective.
No secret sauce for the rss feeds , just repo-rss from yum-utils that is ran against repositories :) So a little bit of jinja2 in the ansible role and it's done : https://github.com/CentOS/ansible-role-httpd-feeds/blob/master/templates/rss...
We can easily bump the number of entries that repo-rss would generate if that helps ?
On 11/5/19 12:17 PM, Fabian Arrotin wrote:
On 05/11/2019 18:38, Kevin Stange wrote:
On 11/1/19 2:06 PM, Brian Stinson wrote:
On Fri, Nov 1, 2019, at 13:41, Leon Fauster via CentOS-devel wrote:
Do package updates for C8 get announced via centos-announce list?
We are not doing announcement emails for C8 updates at this time. There are feeds at https://feeds.centos.org/ if you would like to subscribe there.
Can you provide some details as to how this is managed and generated? Is there an entry limit, or how long will package updates appear in these feeds? Is it possible to continue to provide a link to the upstream errata notification or at least provide a matching ID number?
The way this looks right now this will actually be more difficult to work with than just scraping the mailing list has been for CentOS 6 and 7. It's nice seeing the RPM %changelog in the description, but everything else is worse from my perspective.
No secret sauce for the rss feeds , just repo-rss from yum-utils that is ran against repositories :) So a little bit of jinja2 in the ansible role and it's done : https://github.com/CentOS/ansible-role-httpd-feeds/blob/master/templates/rss...
We can easily bump the number of entries that repo-rss would generate if that helps ?
I'm not sure it really helps unless there is no limit because in some cases a single SRPM will produce more than 20 distinct packages and then you won't even get the full update history if you're polling constantly. CentOS often releases several updates at once, and it's not uncommon to see 50+ distinct RPMs released within a few hours.
I don't understand the goal of this replacing the mailing list posts with this. It means we no longer have any persistent notification or metadata for updates unless we watch the actual repos or build systems directly. This feels like a huge regression from what we have been getting for CentOS 7 and older.
If you provided a persistent updateinfo.xml in the repos instead of sending the emails that would at least be equivalent coverage (and community members have been asking for this for ~10 years), but this strange RSS thing isn't getting us close to either that or what we had before.
On 05/11/2019 19:41, Kevin Stange wrote:
I don't understand the goal of this replacing the mailing list posts with this.
As I understand it, it isn't a goal, it's an alternative. The current tooling in place to do this for previous releases doesn't work for 8 and there are too many other things to do to fix it right now so the RSS feed was proposed as a "you'll have to use this while you wait" solution.
Trevor
On 05/11/2019 20:41, Kevin Stange wrote:
On 11/5/19 12:17 PM, Fabian Arrotin wrote:
On 05/11/2019 18:38, Kevin Stange wrote:
On 11/1/19 2:06 PM, Brian Stinson wrote:
On Fri, Nov 1, 2019, at 13:41, Leon Fauster via CentOS-devel wrote:
Do package updates for C8 get announced via centos-announce list?
We are not doing announcement emails for C8 updates at this time. There are feeds at https://feeds.centos.org/ if you would like to subscribe there.
Can you provide some details as to how this is managed and generated? Is there an entry limit, or how long will package updates appear in these feeds? Is it possible to continue to provide a link to the upstream errata notification or at least provide a matching ID number?
The way this looks right now this will actually be more difficult to work with than just scraping the mailing list has been for CentOS 6 and 7. It's nice seeing the RPM %changelog in the description, but everything else is worse from my perspective.
No secret sauce for the rss feeds , just repo-rss from yum-utils that is ran against repositories :) So a little bit of jinja2 in the ansible role and it's done : https://github.com/CentOS/ansible-role-httpd-feeds/blob/master/templates/rss...
We can easily bump the number of entries that repo-rss would generate if that helps ?
I'm not sure it really helps unless there is no limit because in some cases a single SRPM will produce more than 20 distinct packages and then you won't even get the full update history if you're polling constantly. CentOS often releases several updates at once, and it's not uncommon to see 50+ distinct RPMs released within a few hours.
I don't understand the goal of this replacing the mailing list posts with this. It means we no longer have any persistent notification or metadata for updates unless we watch the actual repos or build systems directly. This feels like a huge regression from what we have been getting for CentOS 7 and older.
Nobody ever said it was a replacement ;-) https://feeds.centos.org is there for quite some time, so even before 8 was even just a concept :) I think that Johnny said he can't at this stage find a way to send relevant informations through mails .. but if someone can come with a solution, I'm sure he'll be happy to consider and plumb such solution in his release plan.
If you provided a persistent updateinfo.xml in the repos instead of sending the emails that would at least be equivalent coverage (and community members have been asking for this for ~10 years), but this strange RSS thing isn't getting us close to either that or what we had before.
Different thread, updateinfo.xml itself is something different, but I'll let someone like Jim explain why we don't provide it.
On 11/5/19 4:06 PM, Fabian Arrotin wrote:
On 05/11/2019 20:41, Kevin Stange wrote:
On 11/5/19 12:17 PM, Fabian Arrotin wrote:
On 05/11/2019 18:38, Kevin Stange wrote:
On 11/1/19 2:06 PM, Brian Stinson wrote:
On Fri, Nov 1, 2019, at 13:41, Leon Fauster via CentOS-devel wrote:
Do package updates for C8 get announced via centos-announce list?
We are not doing announcement emails for C8 updates at this time. There are feeds at https://feeds.centos.org/ if you would like to subscribe there.
Can you provide some details as to how this is managed and generated? Is there an entry limit, or how long will package updates appear in these feeds? Is it possible to continue to provide a link to the upstream errata notification or at least provide a matching ID number?
The way this looks right now this will actually be more difficult to work with than just scraping the mailing list has been for CentOS 6 and 7. It's nice seeing the RPM %changelog in the description, but everything else is worse from my perspective.
No secret sauce for the rss feeds , just repo-rss from yum-utils that is ran against repositories :) So a little bit of jinja2 in the ansible role and it's done : https://github.com/CentOS/ansible-role-httpd-feeds/blob/master/templates/rss...
We can easily bump the number of entries that repo-rss would generate if that helps ?
I'm not sure it really helps unless there is no limit because in some cases a single SRPM will produce more than 20 distinct packages and then you won't even get the full update history if you're polling constantly. CentOS often releases several updates at once, and it's not uncommon to see 50+ distinct RPMs released within a few hours.
I don't understand the goal of this replacing the mailing list posts with this. It means we no longer have any persistent notification or metadata for updates unless we watch the actual repos or build systems directly. This feels like a huge regression from what we have been getting for CentOS 7 and older.
Nobody ever said it was a replacement ;-) https://feeds.centos.org is there for quite some time, so even before 8 was even just a concept :) I think that Johnny said he can't at this stage find a way to send relevant informations through mails .. but if someone can come with a solution, I'm sure he'll be happy to consider and plumb such solution in his release plan.
I've helped figure out some of the plumbing before! Glad to hear this isn't a policy change, but I wish it was better communicated that help was needed in finding a solution to continue what was status quo. I'll talk to Johnny about the process and see what can be done.
Thanks.
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