Re: [CentOS-devel] Can CentOS Stream 8 Devel repo be populated

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 10:41 AM Phil Perry pperry@elrepo.org wrote:

On 17/05/2021 14:32, Troy Dawson wrote:

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On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 6:22 AM Fabian Arrotin <arrfab@centos.org mailto:arrfab@centos.org> wrote:

On 17/05/2021 15:10, Troy Dawson wrote:
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 >
 > On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 6:47 AM Leon Fauster via CentOS-devel
 > <centos-devel@centos.org <mailto:centos-devel@centos.org>
<mailto:centos-devel@centos.org <mailto:centos-devel@centos.org>>>
wrote:
 >
 >     On 15.05.21 06:51, Troy Dawson wrote:
 >     > Back when the CentOS 8 Devel repo[1] was originally
introduced, the
 >     > CentOS Stream 8 Devel repo[2] was kept empty.
 >     > Now that CentOS 8 is going away, and we are expected to
develop on
 >     > CentOS Stream 8, could we please get CentOS Stream 8 Devel
populated
 >     > with the same packages it once had.
 >     >
 >     > I know there is an initiative for all the missing -devel
packages to
 >     > appear somewhere at sometime.  But here is my problem.
 >     > I'm trying to get KDE rebuilt for CentOS Stream 8 due to the
 >     updated qt5
 >     > that is now in Stream.
 >     > plasma-nm, a fairly important piece of KDE, requires
 >     > mobile-broadband-provider-info-devel which is in the Devel
repo.
 >     >  From what I see, the fastest way to get
 >     > mobile-broadband-provider-info-devel somewhere that I can
consume
 >     it on
 >     > Stream is via the Devel repo.
 >     > Thus my question.
 >     >
 >     > Can we get CentOS Stream 8 Devel populated with whatever is
in the
 >     > regular Devel repo.
 >     >
 >     > Thanks
 >     > Troy Dawson
 >     >
 >     > [1] -
http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
<http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>
 >     <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
<http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>
 >     >
<http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
<http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>
 >     <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
<http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>>
 >     > [2] -
 >
http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/
<http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>
 >
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http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ < http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/%3E%3E

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 >     >
 >
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http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ < http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/%3E

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http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ < http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/%3E%3E%3E

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 >     >
 >
 >     JFI:
 >
 >     Downloads from koji instance allowed now.
 > https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/
<https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/>
 >     <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/
<https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/>>
 >
 >
 > True, but that doesn't get them into the EPEL or COPR build
environment.
 >
 > Troy
 >

Hi Troy,

As you're now part of the CentOS Stream team, when can we expect to

see

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that Devel repo being populated ? that would help for now SIGs

building

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in cbs.centos.org <http://cbs.centos.org> (and we have also again
other requests for built but
unreleased pkgs in Devel repo, so having a status update on that one
would be good too)

Well played good sir. Unfortunately I only deal with the CentOS Stream 9 stuff, but I will bring it up in the team meeting.

I wrote this email on the centos-devel mailing list, as an EPEL package maintainer, that has a problem. Because my EPEL work is done in my spare time, and it's a legitimate EPEL packager problem. And I'd like the solution to be public, and not behind closed doors.

Troy

I'm not sure I understand why this is even an issue anymore. Now CentOS Stream is upstream of RHEL, surely there are no constraints to only ship what RHEL (downstream) ships? Why wouldn't CentOS Stream simply ship everything and if RHEL decides upon a policy to only ship/support a certain subset of (-devel) packages, that is a RH/RHEL decision that can be implemented downstream by removing the bits they don't want to ship/support and should have zero impact upstream? RH/RHEL are free to do whatever they want downstream.

Or have I completely misunderstood the relationship here?

Actually, you understood it correctly.

It seems an email got misplaced. When it was announced that CentOS Stream 9 koji build system, including the buildroot, was now publically available, there was also supposed to be a similar announcement concerning CentOS Stream 8. For some reason, that announcement failed to get sent.

So, you are correct, there currently is a way for the EPEL community (or COPR, or whoever wants) to get access to the CentOS Stream 8 build system and complete buildroot. I simply was not aware of it.

I will bring this up with the EPEL community, especially those setting up epel-next.

Sorry for all the noise. But ... now we (I) know.

Troy