17 May
2021
17 May
'21
7:30 p.m.
On 5/17/21 1:46 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 1:34 PM Phil Perry <pperry@elrepo.org mailto:pperry@elrepo.org> wrote:
On 17/05/2021 18:49, Troy Dawson wrote: > > > On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 10:41 AM Phil Perry <pperry@elrepo.org <mailto:pperry@elrepo.org> > <mailto:pperry@elrepo.org <mailto:pperry@elrepo.org>>> wrote: > > On 17/05/2021 14:32, Troy Dawson wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 6:22 AM Fabian Arrotin <arrfab@centos.org <mailto:arrfab@centos.org> > <mailto:arrfab@centos.org <mailto:arrfab@centos.org>> > > <mailto:arrfab@centos.org <mailto:arrfab@centos.org> <mailto:arrfab@centos.org <mailto:arrfab@centos.org>>>> wrote: > > > > On 17/05/2021 15:10, Troy Dawson wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 6:47 AM Leon Fauster via CentOS-devel > > > <centos-devel@centos.org <mailto:centos-devel@centos.org> <mailto:centos-devel@centos.org <mailto:centos-devel@centos.org>> > <mailto:centos-devel@centos.org <mailto:centos-devel@centos.org> <mailto:centos-devel@centos.org <mailto:centos-devel@centos.org>>> > > <mailto:centos-devel@centos.org <mailto:centos-devel@centos.org> > <mailto:centos-devel@centos.org <mailto:centos-devel@centos.org>> <mailto:centos-devel@centos.org <mailto:centos-devel@centos.org> > <mailto:centos-devel@centos.org <mailto:centos-devel@centos.org>>>>> > > wrote: > > > > > > On 15.05.21 06:51, Troy Dawson wrote: > > > > Back when the CentOS 8 Devel repo[1] was originally > > introduced, the > > > > CentOS Stream 8 Devel repo[2] was kept empty. > > > > Now that CentOS 8 is going away, and we are expected to > > develop on > > > > CentOS Stream 8, could we please get CentOS Stream 8 > Devel > > populated > > > > with the same packages it once had. > > > > > > > > I know there is an initiative for all the missing -devel > > packages to > > > > appear somewhere at sometime. But here is my problem. > > > > I'm trying to get KDE rebuilt for CentOS Stream 8 > due to the > > > updated qt5 > > > > that is now in Stream. > > > > plasma-nm, a fairly important piece of KDE, requires > > > > mobile-broadband-provider-info-devel which is in the > Devel > > repo. > > > > From what I see, the fastest way to get > > > > mobile-broadband-provider-info-devel somewhere that > I can > > consume > > > it on > > > > Stream is via the Devel repo. > > > > Thus my question. > > > > > > > > Can we get CentOS Stream 8 Devel populated with > whatever is > > in the > > > > regular Devel repo. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Troy Dawson > > > > > > > > [1] - > > http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> > <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>> > > <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> > <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>> > > > > <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> > <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>> > > <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> > <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>>> > > > > > > <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> > <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>> > > <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> > <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>> > > > > <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> > <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>> > > <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> > <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>>>> > > > > [2] - > > > > > > http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> > <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>> > > > <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>> > > > > > > <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>>> > > > > > > > > > > <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>> > > > > > > <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > JFI: > > > > > > Downloads from koji instance allowed now. > > > https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/ <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/> > <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/ <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/>> > > <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/ <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/> > <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/ <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/>>> > > > <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/ <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/> > <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/ <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/>> > > <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/ <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/> > <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/ <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/>>>> > > > > > > > > > True, but that doesn't get them into the EPEL or COPR build > > environment. > > > > > > Troy > > > > > > > Hi Troy, > > > > As you're now part of the CentOS Stream team, when can we > expect to see > > that Devel repo being populated ? that would help for now > SIGs building > > in cbs.centos.org <http://cbs.centos.org> <http://cbs.centos.org <http://cbs.centos.org>> > <http://cbs.centos.org <http://cbs.centos.org> <http://cbs.centos.org <http://cbs.centos.org>>> (and we have also again > > other requests for built but > > unreleased pkgs in Devel repo, so having a status update on > that one > > would be good too) > > > > > > Well played good sir. > > Unfortunately I only deal with the CentOS Stream 9 stuff, but I will > > bring it up in the team meeting. > > > > I wrote this email on the centos-devel mailing list, as an EPEL > package > > maintainer, that has a problem. Because my EPEL work is done in my > > spare time, and it's a legitimate EPEL packager problem. And I'd > like > > the solution to be public, and not behind closed doors. > > > > Troy > > > > I'm not sure I understand why this is even an issue anymore. Now CentOS > Stream is upstream of RHEL, surely there are no constraints to only > ship > what RHEL (downstream) ships? Why wouldn't CentOS Stream simply ship > everything and if RHEL decides upon a policy to only ship/support a > certain subset of (-devel) packages, that is a RH/RHEL decision that > can > be implemented downstream by removing the bits they don't want to > ship/support and should have zero impact upstream? RH/RHEL are free to > do whatever they want downstream. > > Or have I completely misunderstood the relationship here? > Hi Troy, > > Actually, you understood it correctly. > > It seems an email got misplaced. When it was announced that CentOS > Stream 9 koji build system, including the buildroot, was now publically > available, there was also supposed to be a similar announcement > concerning CentOS Stream 8. For some reason, that announcement failed > to get sent. > > So, you are correct, there currently is a way for the EPEL community (or > COPR, or whoever wants) to get access to the CentOS Stream 8 build > system and complete buildroot. I simply was not aware of it. > Except, as you stated earlier in the thread, they are not in the CentOS Stream repos, so it is still not possible to easily pull them into build environments. I believe your question is valid. Why are these packages being excluded from CenOS Stream in the first place? I understand why they are excluded from CentOS Linux 8, as that is a like for like rebuild of RHEL 8, and what is not in RHEL will not be in CentOS Linux. But CentOS Stream is upstream of RHEL, not downstream, so I do not understand why ANY built devel packages are excluded from the CentOS Stream repos. Why would you not ship everything you build??? RHEL policy decisions should not affect what happens upstream.This is mostly because we also don't ship it in RHEL and we don't ship it there because we don't want to be on the hook to support it (even RHEL has a budget and limited resources).
As far as CentOS Stream, the promise is that if it runs in CentOS Stream today it should run in the next version of RHEL. By including content in Stream that we don't include in RHEL, suddenly that promise is broken if someone accidentally uses it assuming it's in RHEL.
I'm not saying there aren't ways to work through these issues, but I wanted to give some ideas as to the thought process that got us here.
-Mike
Mike,
That is all well and good .. but it is your guys (EPEL and Red Hat SIGs) that need this Development content to be in CentOS Stream and the CentOS Community Build System to build things. (I can build things as this content is already in my Koji buildroot).
And it is me, this list, and the CentOS Stream group that keep getting asked (by EPEL and the RH SIGs) why this open source stuff can not be in CentOS Linux, CentOS Stream and the CBS.
Surely we can set up a non RHEL released repo that your guys can use to build the things that they want.
Thanks, Johnny Hughes