Hi folks today CentOS 7 released and when do we have epel-release package in extra repository?
thanks
On 07/07/2014 03:09 PM, Roozbeh Shafiee wrote:
Hi folks today CentOS 7 released and when do we have epel-release package in extra repository?
Not yet. We're waiting for EPEL7 to exit beta. Once it's officially released, we'll add the epel-release package to the -extras repository.
Thanks for all the work! I've some personal experience of shifting to major new releases, and the adventures involved in re-engineering the build environments for compatibity. You've my sympathy.
Would it make sense to have a "yum-conf-epel-release-beta", to be obsoleted by an upcoming "yum-conf-epel-release"? It's an important repo for "mock" and a number of Perl modules, at least for me. I'd be happy to submit a spec file in a day or two, if it would help.
Nico Kadel-Garcia Email: nkadel@gmail.com Sent from iPhone
On Jul 7, 2014, at 16:12, Jim Perrin jperrin@centos.org wrote:
On 07/07/2014 03:09 PM, Roozbeh Shafiee wrote: Hi folks today CentOS 7 released and when do we have epel-release package in extra repository?
Not yet. We're waiting for EPEL7 to exit beta. Once it's officially released, we'll add the epel-release package to the -extras repository.
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On 07/07/2014 08:10 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
Thanks for all the work! I've some personal experience of shifting to major new releases, and the adventures involved in re-engineering the build environments for compatibity. You've my sympathy.
Would it make sense to have a "yum-conf-epel-release-beta", to be obsoleted by an upcoming "yum-conf-epel-release"? It's an important repo for "mock" and a number of Perl modules, at least for me. I'd be happy to submit a spec file in a day or two, if it would help.
I toyed with that idea, but ultimately in conversation the EPEL folks don't think the wait will be overly long for non-beta status. I don't think it'll be necessary.
Cool, thanks for the thought.
Nico Kadel-Garcia Email: nkadel@gmail.com Sent from iPhone
On Jul 7, 2014, at 21:17, Jim Perrin jperrin@centos.org wrote:
On 07/07/2014 08:10 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: Thanks for all the work! I've some personal experience of shifting to major new releases, and the adventures involved in re-engineering the build environments for compatibity. You've my sympathy.
Would it make sense to have a "yum-conf-epel-release-beta", to be obsoleted by an upcoming "yum-conf-epel-release"? It's an important repo for "mock" and a number of Perl modules, at least for me. I'd be happy to submit a spec file in a day or two, if it would help.
I toyed with that idea, but ultimately in conversation the EPEL folks don't think the wait will be overly long for non-beta status. I don't think it'll be necessary.
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On 07/08/2014 02:17 AM, Jim Perrin wrote:
On 07/07/2014 08:10 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
Thanks for all the work! I've some personal experience of shifting to major new releases, and the adventures involved in re-engineering the build environments for compatibity. You've my sympathy.
Would it make sense to have a "yum-conf-epel-release-beta", to be obsoleted by an upcoming "yum-conf-epel-release"? It's an important repo for "mock" and a number of Perl modules, at least for me. I'd be happy to submit a spec file in a day or two, if it would help.
I toyed with that idea, but ultimately in conversation the EPEL folks don't think the wait will be overly long for non-beta status. I don't think it'll be necessary.
also, were going to ship the epel-release package, not a yum-conf-something
we just need to workout how we let the epel folks manage and maintain that longer term themselves.
On 07/08/2014 01:10 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
Thanks for all the work! I've some personal experience of shifting to major new releases, and the adventures involved in re-engineering the build environments for compatibity. You've my sympathy.
Would it make sense to have a "yum-conf-epel-release-beta", to be obsoleted by an upcoming "yum-conf-epel-release"? It's an important repo for "mock" and a number of Perl modules, at least for me. I'd be happy to submit a spec file in a day or two, if it would help.
Yeah, whatever will we do without the package in extras? I mean how did anyone ever manage to install EPEL in previous releases of CentOS?
Ok, all sarcasm aside: yum --nogpgcheck install http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/epel/beta/7/x86_64/epel-release-7-0.2.noarch...
There, problem solved.
Peter
On 07/07/2014 08:19 PM, Peter wrote:
On 07/08/2014 01:10 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
Thanks for all the work! I've some personal experience of shifting to major new releases, and the adventures involved in re-engineering the build environments for compatibity. You've my sympathy.
Would it make sense to have a "yum-conf-epel-release-beta", to be obsoleted by an upcoming "yum-conf-epel-release"? It's an important repo for "mock" and a number of Perl modules, at least for me. I'd be happy to submit a spec file in a day or two, if it would help.
Yeah, whatever will we do without the package in extras? I mean how did anyone ever manage to install EPEL in previous releases of CentOS?
Really? Didn't I *just* go on a mini-rant about this 12 hours ago?
If you really want to do this, you have to take a lesson from Chris StPierre and be willing to go all the way with a full-blown profanity-laden diatribe. This is hardly worth it.
Ok, all sarcasm aside: yum --nogpgcheck install http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/epel/beta/7/x86_64/epel-release-7-0.2.noarch...
There, problem solved.
I'm told the wait shouldn't be that much longer anyway. I don't claim to speak for the Fedora/EPEL folks so I can't say when. If one of them wants to chime in, they can.
On Jul 7, 2014, at 21:24, Jim Perrin jperrin@centos.org wrote:
On 07/07/2014 08:19 PM, Peter wrote:
On 07/08/2014 01:10 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: Thanks for all the work! I've some personal experience of shifting to major new releases, and the adventures involved in re-engineering the build environments for compatibity. You've my sympathy.
Would it make sense to have a "yum-conf-epel-release-beta", to be obsoleted by an upcoming "yum-conf-epel-release"? It's an important repo for "mock" and a number of Perl modules, at least for me. I'd be happy to submit a spec file in a day or two, if it would help.
Yeah, whatever will we do without the package in extras? I mean how did anyone ever manage to install EPEL in previous releases of CentOS?
Really? Didn't I *just* go on a mini-rant about this 12 hours ago?
??? I was polite, I offered code. It's also the model that works well for Scientific Linux, where their automatic configuration for third party repos works quite well.
If you really want to do this, you have to take a lesson from Chris StPierre and be willing to go all the way with a full-blown profanity-laden diatribe. This is hardly worth it.
But... I like you folks. And you asked nicely for me to be less aggressive.
Ok, all sarcasm aside:
Ahh. Sarcasm... I'd not always clear.
yum --nogpgcheck install http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/epel/beta/7/x86_64/epel-release-7-0.2.noarch...
Which, I'm afraid, is an unstable URL. Even if the 'beta' location remains consistent, EPEL discards old RPMS rather than keeping them in their repo. So it can be guaranteed to break in the near future.
"yum install yum-conf-epel-release", however, would distinguish the CentOS configured access from the epel-release RPM provided by EPEL themselves. It seems to work well for Scientific Linux, and I've found it very useful, even on otherwise pure 'CentOS' systems.
Thanks to the team for planning to directly enable EPEL access, in any case. It's one of those pesky post-kickstart steps on all my systems that I'd prefer to just include among the selected packages.
On 07/08/2014 09:45 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
On Jul 7, 2014, at 21:24, Jim Perrin jperrin@centos.org wrote:
On 07/07/2014 08:19 PM, Peter wrote:
On 07/08/2014 01:10 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: Thanks for all the work! I've some personal experience of shifting to major new releases, and the adventures involved in re-engineering the build environments for compatibity. You've my sympathy.
Would it make sense to have a "yum-conf-epel-release-beta", to be obsoleted by an upcoming "yum-conf-epel-release"? It's an important repo for "mock" and a number of Perl modules, at least for me. I'd be happy to submit a spec file in a day or two, if it would help.
Yeah, whatever will we do without the package in extras? I mean how did anyone ever manage to install EPEL in previous releases of CentOS?
Really? Didn't I *just* go on a mini-rant about this 12 hours ago?
??? I was polite, I offered code. It's also the model that works well for Scientific Linux, where their automatic configuration for third party repos works quite well.
This was in reply to Peter. You'd listened ;-)
If you really want to do this, you have to take a lesson from Chris StPierre and be willing to go all the way with a full-blown profanity-laden diatribe. This is hardly worth it.
But... I like you folks. And you asked nicely for me to be less aggressive.
Which is why I was getting onto Peter. But, if we're feeling guilty...
Ok, all sarcasm aside:
Ahh. Sarcasm... I'd not always clear.
yum --nogpgcheck install http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/epel/beta/7/x86_64/epel-release-7-0.2.noarch...
Which, I'm afraid, is an unstable URL. Even if the 'beta' location remains consistent, EPEL discards old RPMS rather than keeping them in their repo. So it can be guaranteed to break in the near future.
Yep. which is exactly why we're leaving it a manual step until epel7 goes GA.
"yum install yum-conf-epel-release", however, would distinguish the CentOS configured access from the epel-release RPM provided by EPEL themselves. It seems to work well for Scientific Linux, and I've found it very useful, even on otherwise pure 'CentOS' systems.
We're actually in conversation with the epel folks about this, working to make sure we do this the 'right way'. Matt from Fedora, and Kevin of both fedora and EPEL fame have been quite helpful in the discussions around sharing automated testing, bug submissions, and overall ownership of the various pieces. Also, just because in this instance we're choosing to go a different way than you suggested, please don't stop suggesting (or better, contributing code).
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:17 PM, Jim Perrin jperrin@centos.org wrote:
We're actually in conversation with the epel folks about this, working to make sure we do this the 'right way'. Matt from Fedora, and Kevin of both fedora and EPEL fame have been quite helpful in the discussions around sharing automated testing, bug submissions, and overall ownership of the various pieces. Also, just because in this instance we're choosing to go a different way than you suggested, please don't stop suggesting (or better, contributing code).
This is all cool. I'd meant to copy material over from Scientific Linux (accredited properly!).
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On 07.07.2014 22:09, Roozbeh Shafiee wrote:
Hi folks today CentOS 7 released and when do we have epel-release package in extra repository?
thanks
Well it's not super-officially released as in a GA. It's a testing release, which will become GA when no blockers will be found.
As for epel: this should as you mentioned show up in "extras" but I guess it will need some more time(a few days) than GA of CentOS 7.
HTH
kind regards
Sven
Am 07.07.2014 22:13, schrieb Sven Kieske:
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On 07.07.2014 22:09, Roozbeh Shafiee wrote:
Hi folks today CentOS 7 released and when do we have epel-release package in extra repository?
thanks
Well it's not super-officially released as in a GA. It's a testing release, which will become GA when no blockers will be found.
To the best of my knowledge, it is officially released as in GA. Here is the anouncement: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-announce/2014-July/020393.html
cheers Christoph
On Mon, Jul 07, 2014 at 10:13:19PM +0200, Sven Kieske wrote:
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On 07.07.2014 22:09, Roozbeh Shafiee wrote:
Hi folks today CentOS 7 released and when do we have epel-release package in extra repository?
thanks
Well it's not super-officially released as in a GA. It's a testing release, which will become GA when no blockers will be found.
It's released to the public and being publicized "everywhere". The release notes don't say alpha or beta or RC or anything to contract it's being GA... So, if it's not GA, what is it?
On 07/07/2014 03:44 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
On Mon, Jul 07, 2014 at 10:13:19PM +0200, Sven Kieske wrote:
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On 07.07.2014 22:09, Roozbeh Shafiee wrote:
Hi folks today CentOS 7 released and when do we have epel-release package in extra repository?
thanks
Well it's not super-officially released as in a GA. It's a testing release, which will become GA when no blockers will be found.
It's released to the public and being publicized "everywhere". The release notes don't say alpha or beta or RC or anything to contract it's being GA... So, if it's not GA, what is it?
CentOS 7 is released ... yes
EPEL for EL7, not yet (it is still beta)
2014-07-07 22:44 GMT+02:00 Fred Smith fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us:
On Mon, Jul 07, 2014 at 10:13:19PM +0200, Sven Kieske wrote:
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On 07.07.2014 22:09, Roozbeh Shafiee wrote:
Hi folks today CentOS 7 released and when do we have epel-release package in extra repository?
thanks
Well it's not super-officially released as in a GA. It's a testing release, which will become GA when no blockers will be found.
It's released to the public and being publicized "everywhere". The release notes don't say alpha or beta or RC or anything to contract it's being GA... So, if it's not GA, what is it?
CentOS 7 is GA, but as Jim said, we're waiting for *EPEL7* to exit beta.
- Jitse
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Just wanted to say sorry for the noise I created.
I just didn't catch the GA announcement yesterday. I just saw the earlier pre-release announcement.
kind regards
Sven
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