Hi Tracy,

This is an announcement about the EOL of CentOS Linux 7, which has seen its complete 10-year expected lifecycle. Grievances about the short lifespan of CentOS Linux 8 are off-topic, and your hostile language towards Fabian (one of "the rest of the CentOS team" you thank) is completely inappropriate. You can express your disapproval of technical decisions without attacking people personally.

I encourage everybody looking for a CentOS Linux 7 replacement to try out CentOS Stream. CentOS Stream 9 is a stable and proven operating syste. And preview releases of CentOS Stream 10 are available for those who want to test for the future.

Thanks, Shaun McCance CentOS Community Architect

On Sun, 2024-06-16 at 20:40 -0700, Tracy Reed wrote:

A sad day. CentOS was a great distribution that I used for many years. A real shame that RedHat sold out and IBM came along to totally screw the CentOS community in the @$$. My thanks to Johnny Hughes and all of the rest of the CentOS team for years of a great distribution. I no longer have any CentOS systems. It's Debian for me from now on. I'm pretty sure they won't betray their community.

Regards, Tracy Reed

On 6/15/24 23:49, Fabian Arrotin wrote:

...

Hi,

As discussed multiple times on various lists, CentOS Linux 7 will go EOL in two weeks (end of June) and so that means that various services running on CentOS 7 will disappear too . Apart from internal build infra for centos 7 itself (non public) that will be decommissioned, here are some services that will disappear:

# mirrorlist.centos.org As the whole backend/frontend infra is running on centos 7 , and that everything Stream related (and now SIGs) was migrated to use mirrormanager (hosted by Fedora infra team), there was no reason to migrate/maintain it as all content will be EOL.

# forums.centos.org Per discussion with the forums moderators, it will be powered off completely (not migrated)

# torrent.centos.org In the past we used to provide .torrent for various centos linux releases, but it stopped with CentOS Stream. As the trackers (ipv4 and ipv6) are on centos 7, they'll disappear also end of this month

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CentOS Stream totaly loses it's interest for me without CentOS Linux, It is the end of our belove distribution, that's a fact not an attack.

Jean-Marc Liger

Le 22/06/2024 à 09:09, Mark Mielke a écrit :

On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 2:15 PM Shaun McCance shaunm@redhat.com wrote:

This is an announcement about the EOL of CentOS Linux 7, which has
seen
its complete 10-year expected lifecycle. Grievances about the short
lifespan of CentOS Linux 8 are off-topic, and your hostile language
towards Fabian (one of "the rest of the CentOS team" you thank) is
completely inappropriate. You can express your disapproval of
technical
decisions without attacking people personally.

Hi Shaun:

I read Tracy's note several times - and I see no personal attack against Fabian. Am I missing something?

From what I see, Tracey shared a sentiment that is widely held, which is contextually in response to the messaging that CentOS 7 is now EOL. This is not an attack on Fabian. Fabian is only the messenger, and the response is to the message.

CentOS 7 is the last CentOS released that fulfilled its commitment. CentOS 8 did not fulfill its commitment.

Perhaps the exact choice of language may not be welcome, but it is important to measure your response against the words actually expressed.

Thanks,

On Sun, 2024-06-16 at 20:40 -0700, Tracy Reed wrote:
> A sad day. CentOS was a great distribution that I used for many
> years. A
> real shame that RedHat sold out and IBM came along to totally screw
> the
> CentOS community in the @$$. My thanks to Johnny Hughes and all of
> the
> rest of the CentOS team for years of a great distribution. I no
> longer
> have any CentOS systems. It's Debian for me from now on. I'm pretty
> sure
> they won't betray their community.
>
> Regards,
> Tracy Reed
>
> On 6/15/24 23:49, Fabian Arrotin wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > As discussed multiple times on various lists, CentOS Linux 7 will
> > go
> > EOL in two weeks (end of June) and so that means that various
> > services
> > running on CentOS 7 will disappear too .
> > Apart from internal build infra for centos 7 itself (non public)
> > that
> > will be decommissioned, here are some services that will
disappear:
> >
> > # mirrorlist.centos.org <http://mirrorlist.centos.org>
> > As the whole backend/frontend infra is running on centos 7 , and
> > that
> > everything Stream related (and now SIGs) was migrated to use
> > mirrormanager (hosted by Fedora infra team), there was no
reason to
> > migrate/maintain it as all content will be EOL.
> >
> > # forums.centos.org <http://forums.centos.org>
> > Per discussion with the forums moderators, it will be powered off
> > completely (not migrated)
> >
> > # torrent.centos.org <http://torrent.centos.org>
> > In the past we used to provide .torrent for various centos linux
> > releases, but it stopped with CentOS Stream. As the trackers (ipv4
> > and
> > ipv6) are on centos 7, they'll disappear also end of this month

-- Mark Mielke mark.mielke@gmail.com

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On 29 Jun 2024, at 13:45, John Crisp jcrisp@safeandsoundit.co.uk wrote:

On 22/6/24 09:09, Mark Mielke wrote:

...

On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 2:15 PM Shaun McCance <shaunm@redhat.com mailto:shaunm@redhat.com> wrote: This is an announcement about the EOL of CentOS Linux 7, which has seen its complete 10-year expected lifecycle. Grievances about the short lifespan of CentOS Linux 8 are off-topic, and your hostile language towards Fabian (one of "the rest of the CentOS team" you thank) is completely inappropriate. You can express your disapproval of technical decisions without attacking people personally. Hi Shaun: I read Tracy's note several times - and I see no personal attack against Fabian. Am I missing something? From what I see, Tracey shared a sentiment that is widely held, which is contextually in response to the messaging that CentOS 7 is now EOL. This is not an attack on Fabian. Fabian is only the messenger, and the response is to the message. CentOS 7 is the last CentOS released that fulfilled its commitment. CentOS 8 did not fulfill its commitment. Perhaps the exact choice of language may not be welcome, but it is important to measure your response against the words actually expressed.

+1

:waves goodbye:

/me too

I’ll be running stream as I’ve been running rh since Valhalla then migrated onto centos 3 but all the joy of the time that the *amazing* centos team was folded into RedHat has now been poured away as we knew it would by the acquisition by big blue (but hoped it wouldn’t)

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On Sat, 29 Jun 2024 at 23:59, Gordon Messmer gordon.messmer@gmail.com wrote:

On 2024-06-29 6:14 AM, Mike Simpson wrote:

all the joy of the time that the *amazing* centos team was folded into RedHat has now been poured away

I don't really understand this sentiment. With Stream, the CentOS distribution is much more open, better supported, and more secure than the old distribution was. Red Hat made significant improvements to the process, which improved the software delivered by the project. Stream is a better example of what an open source project should be, and how they should work. And the Integration SIG is one of the most exciting developments I've seen in Linux distributions in a long time.

As an engineer, Stream is a source of great joy!

Because people find joy and reasons to be in a community for different and sometimes incompatible things. New Coke was a drinkable soda, but it wasn't the same as 'Coca-Cola' and so people who found joy in Old Coke didn't move easily to 'New Coke'.. and the same happened later when they brought back 'Classic Coke', people who liked New Coke didn't want to drink Classic. Even decades later, this still comes up as a 'community' split with people bringing it up whenever an office surveyed 'what drinks do we need to order for the coolers'.

Similar things happen when car models change slightly, etc. The vehicle may be still able to do all the things the old one did, but many people will report being 'put off' on those changes. And the changes may bring in new people who are better served by the newer models. [And the same conversations happen where each camp can't understand why everyone isn't feeling the same way they do.]

On Sun, Jun 30, 2024 at 1:48 PM Mike Simpson mikie.simpson@gmail.com wrote:

Tbh it’s nothing technical at all.

For some decades concomitantly and continuously, I’ve run OpenBSD -current, Kali and Fedora Rawhide so it’s not that I care if it’s a point release or CR distro. I know it’s different but I ran the CentOS CR repo when it was available.

If we're going to talk about this: point releases are a *big deal* in high reliability shops. Compared to the auto industry, having a model year you could refer to as having specific specs is a very, very big deal for the people who have to work on it and address requirements. A whole lot of people I've worked with have had to simply turn off updates, and engage in massive fork lift updates, when things start breaking down in the RHEL and CentOS 8 stream world, and engage in very peculiar date based local repo updates to avoid the "stream". They've had to basically focus the stream into local reservoirs which they access with date-stamped local repos, a painful and expensive workaround to re-create releases.

I publish tools for generating those at need, such as supporting the old perl "rsnapshot" tool and my "reposync" scripts over at https://github.com/nkadel/nkadel-rsync-scripts . I'm afraid i don't have permission from people using them to publish the combinations used to weave those into an EFS published repo for AWS cloud environments, also using my EFS RPM. There are limits of the approach. bit it helps reduce the ridiculous costs of the repodata churn of the CentOS 8 stream repos.

On Sun, Jun 30, 2024 at 2:12 PM Chris Adams linux@cmadams.net wrote:

Once upon a time, Nico Kadel-Garcia nkadel@gmail.com said:

...

They've had to basically focus the stream into local reservoirs which they access with date-stamped local repos, a painful and expensive workaround to re-create releases.

That's kind of the point though: managing point-based releases is not easy or cheap, and expecting that level of support for a free distro maybe just isn't that reasonable. CentOS (even pre-Red Hat) had issues with it sometimes, with point releases taking a while to get released, stopping updates during that time.

Red Hat didn't "discard it for CentOS" specifically. They discarded it for RHEL. It wasn't a welcome change, and it transferred the burden of managing stable releases to the local users. If it had been presented as "this is expensive, we're going to spend the money elsewhere" rather than as a wave of the future that was tried and failed with Red Hat 9 back in 2001, it might have gathered less antipathy.

Stream ile CentOS dağıtımı, eski dağıtımdan daha iyi ve daha güvenilir olacaktır. https://beautyzaa.com/